Deano, I suggest you take your conspiracy theories back to the forum they're supposed to go in.
I have no problem with people questioning the safety of vaccines when it comes to their own health, and I think it's ludicrous to assume that everything we're told in general is true, but you're so far beyond the pale at this point that it's not just getting ridiculous, it's already gotten as such.
AZ vaccine may be longer lasting, hence why UK's covid deaths remain relatively low compared to our European neighbours:
Johnson & Johnson and the Russian Sputnik vaccines were based on similar technologies so they would also last longer (if this is true).
Originally posted by -Pr-
Deano, I suggest you take your conspiracy theories back to the forum they're supposed to go in.I have no problem with people questioning the safety of vaccines when it comes to their own health, and I think it's ludicrous to assume that everything we're told in general is true, but you're so far beyond the pale at this point that it's not just getting ridiculous, it's already gotten as such.
That's fine. I haven't posted any conspiracy theories though.....
Originally posted by Deano
That's fine. I haven't posted any conspiracy theories though.....
How about you don't assume I'm stupid, and I'll return the favour.
Likening the pandemic to a flu is just the start of the shit you've pulled, when instead you could be criticizing all of the things that have been provably ****y about this pandemic.
I would say I'm concerned about the Pfizer vaccine and specifically asked not to get it, they couldn't confirm which one they gave me (or maybe I forgot) but I got the vaccine anyway.
My reason for this is because Pfizer has a reputation for neglecting proper care and prioritising profit, so it would make sense for them to rush out a vaccine during a pandemic. If Deano's link about his criticism is true, then we'd have to consider what the implications.
First of all, I think it's stupid for him to criticise his own vaccine.
"Yes, your honour, I did it!" Not a good strategy.
On the other hand, he may be spreading rumours about the competition, seeing as he's already made his profits or may have a new one in store.
This only applies to Pfizer, though.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Whether the photo is a lie or not is completely irrelevant.Point is you have no facts, no data. Just made up nonsense with nothing but twitter rumours to back you up, which you've basically just conceded.
Funny coming from a supposed UK citizen.
UK covid death figures still pretty low in relation to the number of infections.
What kind of data do you expect anyone to have at this point?
I already posted a worry, and you dismissed it for not being proven yet.
Well, what do you expect? Data on long term effects that haven't had time to happen yet?
The point is to err on the side of caution, and put on the breaks for the least little concern. Not press forward and wait to see what happens.
Originally posted by cdtm
What kind of data do you expect anyone to have at this point?I already posted a worry, and you dismissed it for not being proven yet.
Well, what do you expect? Data on long term effects that haven't had time to happen yet?
The point is to err on the side of caution, and put on the breaks for the least little concern. Not press forward and wait to see what happens.
Okay. But if you admit theres no data, then you also have no reason to believe its going to be harmful in the long run when the CDC and NHS both say all the ingredients are safe.
As ive always stated Id be more worried about the long term effects of Covid, given that isnt safe.
And I keep comparing (with no response) to the launch of mobile phones when no one had studied long term effects of them.
Difference is this is to stop a pandemic and with medically approved safe ingredients.
Originally posted by Blakemore
I would say I'm concerned about the Pfizer vaccine and specifically asked not to get it, they couldn't confirm which one they gave me (or maybe I forgot) but I got the vaccine anyway.My reason for this is because Pfizer has a reputation for neglecting proper care and prioritising profit, so it would make sense for them to rush out a vaccine during a pandemic. If Deano's link about his criticism is true, then we'd have to consider what the implications.
First of all, I think it's stupid for him to criticise his own vaccine.
"Yes, your honour, I did it!" Not a good strategy.
On the other hand, he may be spreading rumours about the competition, seeing as he's already made his profits or may have a new one in store.
This only applies to Pfizer, though.
Booster shots are all Pfizer here. Just got mine last week.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Okay. But if you admit theres no data, then you also have no reason to believe its going to be harmful in the long run when the CDC and NHS both say all the ingredients are safe.As ive always stated Id be more worried about the long term effects of Covid, given that isnt safe.
And I keep comparing (with no response) to the launch of mobile phones when no one had studied long term effects of them.
Difference is this is to stop a pandemic and with medically approved safe ingredients.
Booster shots are all Pfizer here. Just got mine last week.
Robert Malone is a primary inventor of Mrna technology, and he's been arguing against using it without much more transparency and testing.
I'd think his concerns more valid than the CDC or NHS representatives, who likely wouldn't know any more than the inventor of the technology.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
And yet the number of total deaths was massively up in 2020 despite your lies that Covid didn't kill those people and that only their own pre-existing issues did.
Who made the determination of what killed those patients with pre-existing conditions?
Who provided oversight over these claims of Co-vid 19 deaths?
The hospitals who were getting nearly $42,000 extra for every patient diagnosed with Co-Vid 19 and requiring a ventilator.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Who made the determination of what killed those patients with pre-existing conditions?Who provided oversight over these claims of Co-vid 19 deaths?
The hospitals who were getting nearly $42,000 extra for every patient diagnosed with Co-Vid 19 and requiring a ventilator.
They will scoff, but this is actually one of the best points you've made.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynWalensky signed off on 5-11 year olds getting the jab, good call on her part.
Dr. Robert Malone and Dr. Rochelle Walensky are not members of the "REAL" scientific community?
The words promoting misinformation don't fill me with confidence over his present standing mmm
Why are you lumping the two together and trying to twist the truth?
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Walensky signed off on 5-11 year old getting the jab, good call on her part.The words promoting misinformation don't fill me with confidence over his present standing mmm
Criticism is not proof of fact.
And Wikipedia's own founder accuses Wikipedia of political bias, we've been over this.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Sanger
You should learn who Robert Malone is though. He did contribute to the invention of Mrna vaccines.
Hardly a crackpot.
Originally posted by cdtmHardly what he did. He is a bitter man.
Criticism is not proof of fact.And Wikipedia's own founder accuses Wikipedia of political bias, we've been over this.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Sanger
You should learn who Robert Malone is though. He did contribute to the invention of Mrna vaccines.
Hardly a crackpot.
The truth of Malones role... self agandisement and bitterness. He made some good observations in the 80's as an undergraduate mind.
Originally posted by cdtm
Robert Malone is a primary inventor of Mrna technology, and he's been arguing against using it without much more transparency and testing.I'd think his concerns more valid than the CDC or NHS representatives, who likely wouldn't know any more than the inventor of the technology.
Do you have a direct quote?
Also that's not entirely true. Someone can start a technology but then it goes beyond them in it's use.
Also if this is the case, then the anti-vaxers should just opt for a different vaccine. But they insist on telling everyone not to get a covid jab.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Who made the determination of what killed those patients with pre-existing conditions?Who provided oversight over these claims of Co-vid 19 deaths?
The hospitals who were getting nearly $42,000 extra for every patient diagnosed with Co-Vid 19 and requiring a ventilator.
ah so all the doctors are in on it? Sure buddy. Sure.
Also you seem to have comprehension problems, as I stated the TOTAL Deaths were massively up that year, which IM ASSUMING is related to Covid. But could just be a MASSIVE COINCIDENCE.
Originally posted by Darth ThorMalone is a bitter man, claiming he was written out of history... Which the nature article I posted shows clearly isn't true, he made a relevant observation 30 years ago.
Do you have a direct quote?Also that's not entirely true. Someone can start a technology but then it goes beyond them in it's use.
Also if this is the case, then the anti-vaxers should just opt for a different vaccine. But they insist on telling everyone not to get a covid jab.
ah so all the doctors are in on it? Sure buddy. Sure.
Also you seem to have comprehension problems, as I stated the TOTAL Deaths were massively up that year, which IM ASSUMING is related to Covid. But could just be a MASSIVE COINCIDENCE.