Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW👆
As for Brock...1. All of my powers:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-2b53907920f36f4ecb1549278072fcfb
2. Speed that equals Relly's own:
https://64.media.tumblr.com/b3247a74c94e819a3af4ae94d6621325/tumblr_o8tbiu5mBW1rvm5qqo4_1280.jpg
Perhaps, given the thread, it's also worth posting Spiderman [well, body] vs a speedster, Speed Demon, with a non-PIS confrontation:
Originally posted by Philosophía
I think you got that backwards, Billy didn't argue with Power Girl that she is stronger than Captain Marvel, while she didn't argue that he is faster.But one thing to keep in mind here is that for the vast majority of Post-Crisis continuity before Infinite Crisis, Power Girl was depowered and/or not even a kryptonian. Including during this time.
So it really has no bearing on the actual kryptonian Power Girl post-infinite Crisis, who we know by Wonder Woman's own admission is at least as fast as Diana:
It is true that Wonder Woman thought that, but considering that she for some reason needed to remember that she has combat skill near the end of the same fight, and right after that started to make Powergirl look like a bit of a joke:
looks that not like the most believable statement. And it don't helps either that Powergirl speed feats are not even comparable with Captain Marvel's.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Skill doesn't mean she is faster though.
In comics, skill can magically make up for the lack of strength, speed, reflexes and even f*cking durability 😂
And that's just street & martial arts skill --- supernatural skill is even worse.
Diana is often praised for her fighting skill.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Skill doesn't mean she is faster though.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
In comics, skill can magically make up for the lack of strength, speed, reflexes and even f*cking durability 😂And that's just street & martial arts skill --- supernatural skill is even worse.
Diana is often praised for her fighting skill.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85👆
Yeah I think abhi's trying to say she's using skill to make up for her relative lack of speed.Like Parker using his SS to close the gap (and surpass others).
It's not just what abhi is trying to say either, it's literally what's spelled out in the issue, all with flashbacks of discussions with Black Canary, in case the posters reading it have a subhuman iq.
Power Girl is at least as fast (i.e. >/=) [and strong], but Diana's skill allows her to win.
Originally posted by h1a8
It takes reflex speed to perceive an attack, thinking speed to decide what to do IN TIME, and movement speed to initiate the action IN TIME.
Therefore WW can be said to be faster (limb and perception speed) than PG
It means in raw speed PG is faster.
But WW's training has optimized her delay from stimuli intake to reaction. And she can throw a punch with better form, meaning it flies out quicker and/or with less telegraphing.
If PG was equal in skill/training to Diana, the difference would probably be like what Ali and Roy Jones did to equally experienced boxers.
I'd push the Lizard issue even further with a hot take: Connors is likely faster than Spiderman in raw speed. Not only does he not have the advantage of Spidersense, but his last transformation seemed to indicate a speed increase.
Granted, it's difficult to tell if his "Always knew I was faster" comment was about humanity in general, Spiderman, or if he's referencing both. Spiderman does confirm that he wouldn't be able to catch Lizard if Lizard tried to leave though. Running away isn't completely comparable to speed in combat, but it does seem like another bit of evidence I suppose.
And it's notable that Peter couldn't land hits unless Lizard was hallucinating, or attacking someone else. Spiderman trying to land the serum needle is probably the best visual example of what I mean.
https://postimg.cc/7CmhtS8f
https://postimg.cc/JD0nftMK
As for why we haven't seen much else, Lizard has spent the last decade with Connors being in control, turning him into a pacifist. He even had a chip implanted that stops him from harming people, and was willingly imprisoned too. He mauled the Last Son of Kraven (chip was removed), but was mostly just doing science stuff. Currently, The Lizard has been forceably separated from Connors, so I guess we'll see what direction they go in. So far, it's just been Lizard dodging Stegron in the background.
Originally posted by CosmicCometBut since OP is asking for reaction, dodging and fighting, then the speed edges that WW gets from training should factor into her rank on the list.
It means in raw speed PG is faster.But WW's training has optimized her delay from stimuli intake to reaction. And she can throw a punch with better form, meaning it flies out quicker and/or with less telegraphing.
If PG was equal in skill/training to Diana, the difference would probably be like what Ali and Roy Jones did to equally experienced boxers.
Originally posted by Smurph
But since OP is asking for reaction, dodging and fighting, then the speed edges that WW gets from training should factor into her rank on the list.
Unless you're Val Armorr, training could only make up so much difference, you'd think.
Zoom is so fast Wonder Woman could practice for a thousand years and should never touch him.
It doesn’t make real world sense but it does make comic sense.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Yeah, skills and strategy go a long way towards bridging the gap in inferior stats.Remember how WW placed as high as 7th fastest in DC based on her understanding the mechanics of running better than anyone else?
Originally posted by Smurph
That’s not what a no limits fallacy is.
Sure it is.
If your stance is to argue in comic books training can make up any difference in raw speed, I'd call that the definition of a no limits fallacy.
Stilt does the same thing when he argues Matt Murdoch can credibly beat up Namor, because of his skills. Yeah, it does happen in comics, doesn't mean it's because of training, as opposed to garden variety PIS.
