Order these guys by speed

Originally posted by h1a8
Definition of speed

Distance /time

Anything else is derailing the thread.

It's not derailing the thread. Look at Qwerty's analogy. No, Wonder Woman doesn't have patterns to memorize, but she can use skill predicting where they're going to be, whether dodging/blocking hits or hitting her opponent.

It's like the race analogy DS brought up. Your distance/time equation to determine speed is irrelevant if someone gets the head start before the timer starts. You ignoring this is willful trolling by your very standards.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But you assume the same starting point in time.

Which is wrong.

Someone with skill would be starting the 'race', as it were, before the other person has started. That doesn't make them faster.

Lol
It irrelevant to when you START the race. It's about the time elapsed AFTER initially moving. If WW can move her hand 2 feet in a time interval of 1 second then she can move with average velocity of 2ft/s

It didn't matter if she started an hour before another person.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Because this is not mph to mph to begin with

For instance, lets say, I'm playing some danmaku shooting game. I died in my first couple of tries of dodging barrage of bullets. But when I play it for the tenth time, I can waltz through said barrage. That doesnt mean I suddenly gain some reaction speed upgrade, It is just because I memorized the panterns of the barrage and reacted them before they had been fired

Lol
Who cares about dodging bullets? That's not mph

If WW moved 8126mph and PG moved 7941mph then WW is faster.
Who had the higher velocity wins.

H1, are you pretending to miss the points made, or are you legitimately failing this hard?

Originally posted by h1a8
Lol
It irrelevant to when you START the race. It's about the time elapsed AFTER initially moving. If WW can move her hand 2 feet in a time interval of 1 second then she can move with average velocity of 2ft/s

It didn't matter if she started an hour before another person.

Lol
Who cares about dodging bullets? That's not mph

If WW moved 8126mph and PG moved 7941mph then WW is faster.
Who had the higher velocity wins.

But WW doesn't move her hand in a shorter time period. She does so in the same time period, only she started earlier. Maybe even a longer time period.

But let's use bullets, and blocking them as a guide. How slow does she have to be to do so)

Originally posted by Delta1938
H1, are you pretending to miss the points made, or are you legitimately failing this hard?

Trust me, this dance *was* done many times before.

h1 is too stubborn to change his position, no matter what the topic is. It's the same shit, different day in the Movie Versus Forum.

The best part is that he doesn't give a single f*ck about either films or comics. For some reason, he just deems them the best playground for his math theories and miscalculations.

Originally posted by Delta1938
H1, are you pretending to miss the points made, or are you legitimately failing this hard?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But WW doesn't move her hand in a shorter time period. She does so in the same time period, only she started earlier. Maybe even a longer time period.

But let's use bullets, and blocking them as a guide. How slow does she have to be to do so)

Originally posted by h1a8
Because points don't determine speed. They determine who reacts first. Movement speed isn't about who reacts first but who can move with a higher velocity. Clock starts when hand first moves, not when bullet enters the air.

Again, starting earlier is irrelevant. The clock starts when the hand first moves. Not when the bullet enters the air. Mph remember?

That's where your problem arises.

Because when the second person moves, the first has already moved halfway (or more). So you attempting to create a mph value, is false as the first person moves the same distance in the same time. Predictive, remember.

Originally posted by h1a8
Because points don't determine speed. They determine who reacts first. Movement speed isn't about who reacts first but who can move with a higher velocity. Clock starts when hand first moves, not when bullet enters the air.

Unless you're wilfully playing stupid to lie, you're utterly failing to comprehend the points. It's not everyone else is wrong. It's YOU and your complete and utter failure to understand comics. Just like you lied that DS moved the goalpost. I'll accept you ignoring me proving he didn't as you lying when you accused him.

I'm going to attempt to dumb it down so even you can understand. You're arguing speed=distance/time. Two people want to see who is faster, so are going to run the same distance and compare times.

Except it's NOT a true comparison. Runner A actually is timed when he starts running. Runner B gets a headstart before the timer starts. Well if we go by time then Runnee B is faster, but since the time didn't start until after he ran for a bit, it's not really faster, is it?

In this analogue Wonder Woman is Runner B. Her skill allows her to predict the moves of her opponent. So it's not pure speed AT ALL that allows her to dodge, block, hit her opponent, ect. She uses skill to predict the proper move before her opponent actually makes it. She didn't block PG's hits because she's faster. She predicted the moves PG would make before PG made them, and made her moves BEFORE PG started moving. This is why I made the analogy of Runner B getting a good distance ran before the clock actually starts timing him. If you take away WW's skill, then no she wouldn't be able to block like she did. She wouldn't have been able to beat Zoom like she did.

Your arguments prove to me you not only don't understand comics, but you don't understand hand-to-hand combat. Maybe I'm just over estimating people and assuming the average person would already know this.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Unless you're wilfully playing stupid to lie, you're utterly failing to comprehend the points. It's not everyone else is wrong. It's YOU and your complete and utter failure to understand comics. Just like you lied that DS moved the goalpost. I'll accept you ignoring me proving he didn't as you lying when you accused him.

I'm going to attempt to dumb it down so even you can understand. You're arguing speed=distance/time. Two people want to see who is faster, so are going to run the same distance and compare times.

Except it's NOT a true comparison. Runner A actually is timed when he starts running. Runner B gets a headstart before the timer starts. Well if we go by time then Runnee B is faster, but since the time didn't start until after he ran for a bit, it's not really faster, is it?

In this analogue Wonder Woman is Runner B. Her skill allows her to predict the moves of her opponent. So it's not pure speed AT ALL that allows her to dodge, block, hit her opponent, ect. She uses skill to predict the proper move before her opponent actually makes it. She didn't block PG's hits because she's faster. She predicted the moves PG would make before PG made them, and made her moves BEFORE PG started moving. This is why I made the analogy of Runner B getting a good distance ran before the clock actually starts timing him. If you take away WW's skill, then no she wouldn't be able to block like she did. She wouldn't have been able to beat Zoom like she did.

Your arguments prove to me you not only don't understand comics, but you don't understand hand-to-hand combat. Maybe I'm just over estimating people and assuming the average person would already know this.

The clock starts when either starts running.

For example, A starts running and then the clock starts. A is clocked at 25mph

B starts 10 seconds earlier. But B clocks also starts 10 seconds earlier.

It's amazing how you are this dense. We are comparing ACTUAL SPEED. NOT WHO STARTS FIRST.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's where your problem arises.

Because when the second person moves, the first has already moved halfway (or more). So you attempting to create a mph value, is false as the first person moves the same distance in the same time. Predictive, remember.

There are TWO SEPARATE CLOCKS, not one.
Each has their own clock. Each clock starts ONLY AFTER the character has moved.

Think of a radar gun. Radar gun doesn't give a shit who started first. It calculates the velocity at a given moment.

Originally posted by h1a8
There are TWO SEPARATE CLOCKS, not one.
Each has their own clock. Each clock starts ONLY AFTER the character has moved.

Think of a radar gun. Radar gun doesn't give a shit who started first. It calculates the velocity at a given moment.

Sure.

Then prove it - because in comics, WW can intercept bullets without using speed.

Originally posted by h1a8
The clock starts when either starts running.

For example, A starts running and then the clock starts. A is clocked at 25mph

B starts 10 seconds earlier. But B clocks also starts 10 seconds earlier.

It's amazing how you are this dense. We are comparing ACTUAL SPEED. NOT WHO STARTS FIRST.

You DON'T GET IT. The analogy is her skill, her ability to predict, means she can be slower and still block or strike. That's why I said Runner B gets to start before the stopwatch starts. How can you not understand this? Unless you're just willfully playing dumb so you can lie.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sure.

Then prove it - because in comics, WW can intercept bullets without using speed.

@h1: Or better yet - since you said that the lack of proof automatically loses it for one side.....

I have posted a clear, explicit scan where WW specifically says she isn't faster than the bullets that are fired at her, but uses her training and skills to predict where they land, thus preempting them.

That's one more scan than you have shown. Again, your analogy is poor because I routinely block lightspeed photons every day with my eyelids, and I am NOT a lightspeeder.

Post a scan explicitly saying she is using her speed and no training .

Or perhaps if this is easier for you, post a scan of WW, with speed but no skills, blocking bullets. I will then attempt to show WW with skills but no speed, blocking bullets.

Simple. That is all I will ask for, don't attempt to change the parameters or weasels your way out. Any attempt to do so, with no scans, I will take as you trolling, I say this now.

Has h1a8 ever played video games(more specific, those require memorizing and predicting opponents moves type)in his life?

Because it is a such simple concept that I presume most teenages know.....

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Has h1a8 ever played video games(more specific, those require memorizing and predicting opponents moves type)in his life?

Because it is a such simple concept that I presume most teenages know.....

I doubt it. He hasn't read comics either.

I should give this as an analogy. When I play RAINBOW SIX SIEGE, and I turn a corner, already aimed down sights, and fire where I think someone likely is as soon as I turn before my brain even registers there is someone there, and kill him before he can even aim down sights, that doesn't make me faster than him. I used skill and tactics to out play him. Not I mechanically reacted and aimed faster than he can if we started on an even playing field.

He can't comprehend that's the equivalent of what WW does.

Or, I'm starting to believe, he DOES understand it and whether through embarrassing attempts to salvage pride or he is just a trolling cnut, he's intentionally lying to keep up his charade. After all, he never even acknowledged he falsely accused DS of moving the goalpost after being proven wrong, when he says ignoring evidence is trolling.

This hurts my head.

Originally posted by Delta1938
You DON'T GET IT. The analogy is her skill, her ability to predict, means she can be slower and still block or strike. That's why I said Runner B gets to start before the stopwatch starts. How can you not understand this? Unless you're just willfully playing dumb so you can lie.

That's not how speed is measured.
Distance covered in a specific amount of time.
Time starts when motion is initialized (the moment the character moves).

Originally posted by h1a8
That's not how speed is measured.
Distance covered in a specific amount of time.
Time starts when motion is initialized (the moment the character moves).

You're not comprehending the point. Or you're intentionally missing it. Which is it? I dumbed it down thinking even you'd understand. It's not how speed is measured because her performances AREN'T PURE SPEED. Skill makes up for her being slower, hence the Runner B gets a headstart. Even an idiot should understand that analogy.

Originally posted by Delta1938
You're not comprehending the point. Or you're intentionally missing it. Which is it? I dumbed it down thinking even you'd understand. It's not how speed is measured because her performances AREN'T PURE SPEED. Skill makes up for her being slower, hence the Runner B gets a headstart. Even an idiot should understand that analogy.

But I can prove WW velocity.

Originally posted by h1a8
But I can prove WW velocity.

No you can't, because your calculations are under the assumption it's pure speed. You can't wrap your head around how skill compensates. You've been explained with multiple analogies and still not getting it.

But actually I think you're trolling. You said ignoring evidence is trolling, you ignored that DS has been arguing skill compensates since page 2. Trolling proven.