Order these guys by speed

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So you are using tropes, which is my point. I am trying to help you understand this.

Comic writers in comics use skill to make their characters appear faster, without them actually being that fast. Smashing your mathematics into it does not work, because of the storytelling medium's tropes - such as talking at high speed.

But that doesn't take away the speed used.
WW skill allowed her to equal Zoom. I never argued she was as fast as Zoom. Slower yes, but super fast still.

Originally posted by h1a8
But that doesn't take away the speed used.
WW skill allowed her to equal Zoom. I never argued she was as fast as Zoom. Slower yes, but super fast still.

And how much was due to her skill?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But you yourself admit that comic writers do not take such things into account. Characters can talk to each other, which does not necessarily mean they are slower than sound (even though the physics dictate it to be so).

So with that in mind, and knowing that writers ALSO use skill to make human characters like KK and Batman APPEAR lightspeed, how can you make any quantification?

How does talking prove you are slower than sound using real physics?

Originally posted by h1a8
How does talking prove you are slower than sound using real physics?

The fact that they can hear each other? Am referring to this post of yours (so not the scan in question, before you ask!)

Originally posted by h1a8
We all know that it is possible to talk in human perceived time while operating in metroman perceptions in comics. You are basically reaching and creating new arguments as you go. This is a sign of losing.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And how much was due to her skill?

A better question is what is the slowest speed she could have possibly have moved (which is still slower than his speed).

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The fact that they can hear each other? Am referring to this post of yours (so not the scan in question, before you ask!)

Hearing someone talk doesn't prove you are slower than sound. What?

I can send out a sound wave that takes a year to reach you. You can do the same. Doesn't make me slow.

Originally posted by h1a8
A better question is what is the slowest speed she could have possibly have moved (which is still slower than his speed).

No, my question is my question. Either you can answer it, or you cannot.

Originally posted by h1a8
Hearing someone talk doesn't prove you are slower than sound. What?

I can send out a sound wave that takes a year to reach you. You can do the same. Doesn't make me slow.

I am referring to them being able to get entire sentences out to each other, without any Doppler effects going on.

I'm wondering if we can convince Pr to make in this case stupidity a bannable offense.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No, my question is my question. Either you can answer it, or you cannot.

I am referring to them being able to get entire sentences out to each other, without any Doppler effects going on.

But your question is a strawman. A debate of who is faster depends on actual movement speed in mph. Period. How fast can WW move in mph? How fast can PG move in mph? Anything other than that is derailing the thread.

There is no doppler effect (significant change in frequency) when emitting a sound without moving forward or backwards. And even if WW moved forward then a change in frequency would exist. It's still sound to be heard.

Except skills make them predict attacks. I.E, a skilled character can 'cheat' in a fight and appear to have some speed that they actually dont have(illusion speed)

Which is a trope that everyone(well,almost everyone)who has read comics knows

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Except skills make them predict attacks. I.E, a skilled character can 'cheat' in a fight and appear to have some speed that they actually dont have(illusion speed)

Which is a trope that everyone(well,almost everyone)who has read comics knows

WW actually has superspeed in case you didn't know. She even says it in the comic.

Originally posted by h1a8
Have you been following my argument at all?
I'll repeat, we compare mph to mph. Actual movement speed. Not illusions.
How fast can PG move her hands in mph? How fast can WW move her hands?

See the scan where WW blocking bullets is a good example

Edit:
Nobody claims WW doesnt have superspeed, the point being WW can predict attacks thus she doesnt need to be necessarily faster than said attacks.

Originally posted by h1a8
But your question is a strawman. A debate of who is faster depends on actual movement speed in mph. Period. How fast can WW move in mph? How fast can PG move in mph? Anything other than that is derailing the thread.

There is no doppler effect (significant change in frequency) when emitting a sound without moving forward or backwards. And even if WW moved forward then a change in frequency would exist. It's still sound to be heard.

No it's not a strawman. Either you're dishonestly ignoring his point, or you're failing to understand it like a blonde learning astrophysics.

I even said this a loooong time ago.

I can predict when a certain photon arrives on Earth- because I know in advance when they do (it takes 8.something minutes to arrive).

If you tell me that at 14:00:00, a specific photon will hit my eye, and I close my eyes at 13:59:59, blocking it......that doesn't mean I am lightspeed in my reactions.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And you seem completely dont grasp my argument. Skills make them predict attacks, hence they dont have to outpace the attacks.

See the scan where WW blocking bullets is a good example

Edit:
Nobody claims WW doesnt have superspeed, the point being WW can predict attacks thus she doesnt need to be necessarily faster than said attacks.

Omg. I give up.

What don't you understand about comparing mph to mph?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I even said this a loooong time ago.

I can predict when a certain photon arrives on Earth- because I know in advance when they do (it takes 8.something minutes to arrive).

If you tell me that at 14:00:00, a specific photon will hit my eye, and I close my eyes at 13:59:59, blocking it......that doesn't mean I am lightspeed in my reactions.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I even said this a loooong time ago.

I can predict when a certain photon arrives on Earth- because I know in advance when they do (it takes 8.something minutes to arrive).

If you tell me that at 14:00:00, a specific photon will hit my eye, and I close my eyes at 13:59:59, blocking it......that doesn't mean I am lightspeed in my reactions.

Definition of speed

Distance /time

Anything else is derailing the thread.

Originally posted by h1a8
Definition of speed

Distance /time

Anything else is derailing the thread.

But you assume the same starting point in time.

Which is wrong.

Someone with skill would be starting the 'race', as it were, before the other person has started. That doesn't make them faster.

Originally posted by h1a8
Omg. I give up.

What don't you understand about comparing mph to mph?

For instance, lets say, I'm playing some danmaku shooting game. I died in my first couple of tries of dodging barrage of bullets. But when I play it for the tenth time, I can waltz through said barrage. That doesnt mean I suddenly gain some reaction speed upgrade, It is just because I memorized the panterns of the barrage and reacted them before they had been fired

Originally posted by h1a8
Definition of speed

Distance /time

Anything else is derailing the thread.