Boris Johnson

Originally posted by Darth Thor
People have short memories. Honestly Johnson would have gotten away with it if it wasn't one thing after another after another.

Not at all. He's proven himself completely untrustworthy, is clearly only out for himself, would stab his own mother in the back if that's what it took to make him PM, is shifting the party Right, because supposedly that's the only way to make it electable, has shown no consistent morals of any kind...

Seems like a Tory to me... Except it's worse for 1 reason, his victory would permanently take Labour away from the Left, never to return. Whereas Tories are who they are and will remain the same regardless.

The internal party conflicts mean nothing. Its the policies enacted upon the British people that matter. Remind me again of the last 12 years.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/09/david-clapson-benefit-sanctions-death-government-policies

Wife just gave birth to a stillborn baby and can't make your job centre appointment? SANCTIONED!

Brother die this morning and can't get through on the job centre phone line? SANCTIONED!

In hospital with a heart attack...SANCTIONED!

Then how about some cronyism and siphoning of taxpayer's money?

Giving £13.8m to a shipping company with no ships because their boss is a friend of your husband. Sure

Spunking £29.5b on a complete failure of a test and trace system after appointing one of your party donors run it and whose husband is a Tory MP. Why not

Give a £129m contract to Randox for covid test kits when one of your ministers gets paid 100k a year as a consultant for them. A few months down the line stop giving away free test kits so the only ones left available for the public are Randox kits at £5 a pop. Carry on, son.

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Originally posted by jaden_2.0
The internal party conflicts mean nothing. Its the policies enacted upon the British people that matter. Remind me again of the last 12 years.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...rnment-policies

Wife just gave birth to a stillborn baby and can't make your job centre appointment? SANCTIONED!

Brother die this morning and can't get through on the job centre phone line? SANCTIONED!

In hospital with a heart attack...SANCTIONED!

Then how about some cronyism and siphoning of taxpayer's money?

Giving £13.8m to a shipping company with no ships because their boss is a friend of your husband. Sure

Spunking £29.5b on a complete failure of a test and trace system after appointing one of your party donors run it and whose husband is a Tory MP. Why not

Give a £129m contract to Randox for covid test kits when one of your ministers gets paid 100k a year as a consultant for them. A few months down the line stop giving away free test kits so the only ones left available for the public are Randox kits at £5 a pop. Carry on, son.

What's the argument here again (knowing that I'm not a Tory supporter, and my assertion was Keir is basically a Tory, and would be a mistake for the electorate to think he's better than them)...

So going by this post, is your argument that Tories have proven themselves more corrupt than Starmer has? I mean fair point, given he's not in power yet, and even if/when he gets in, being an ex-public prosecutor, he's likely to keep himself clean on the books at least. Reminds me when he was running for Labour leader he refused to tell Andrew Neil who is campaign doners were, turned out after one was a hardcore Zionist, hence the "we must tackle antisemitism, yet not caring one bit about the anti-black racism in the party). But all legally above board from the former public prosecutio.

However if we're talking about Tories being liars, untrustworthy and only out for themselves, then I can provide ample reasons for us to believe Starmer won't be any different.

Originally posted by Blakemore

And how did he do this? A simple phrase. "Let's get Brexit done."

I hope those words eat your red hearts.

Let's not forget the hypocrisy of Starmer on this. He was a hard core remainer, was reported to have got in shouting matches with Corbyn pressuring him to support a second referendum, was the Shadow Brexit Secretary, so likely came up with the "Credible deal vs Remain" nonsensical referendum that was responsible for Labour's biggest defeat in history...

And now after all that, supports a Hard Brexit 😬

I get he has no choice but to support Brexit now, but wth happened to his "Credible" deal ? (Was supposed to be a Soft Brexit).

It's what I mean when I say he's got no consistent morals or beliefs of any kind. He's only out for himself, and will say whatever it takes to get elected, and screw over whoever he has to. Just look what he's done to poor JC. No doubt it's what his Zionist donors demanded.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
The internal party conflicts mean nothing. Its the policies enacted upon the British people that matter. Remind me again of the last 12 years.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/09/david-clapson-benefit-sanctions-death-government-policies

Wife just gave birth to a stillborn baby and can't make your job centre appointment? SANCTIONED!

Brother die this morning and can't get through on the job centre phone line? SANCTIONED!

In hospital with a heart attack...SANCTIONED!

Then how about some cronyism and siphoning of taxpayer's money?

Giving £13.8m to a shipping company with no ships because their boss is a friend of your husband. Sure

Spunking £29.5b on a complete failure of a test and trace system after appointing one of your party donors run it and whose husband is a Tory MP. Why not

Give a £129m contract to Randox for covid test kits when one of your ministers gets paid 100k a year as a consultant for them. A few months down the line stop giving away free test kits so the only ones left available for the public are Randox kits at £5 a pop. Carry on, son.

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Originally posted by jaden_2.0
How many fines?

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
but the British people don't get it, a bad labour Government is always better than a "good" Conservative Government.

There's more at stake this time though Whirly, given Starmer has rooted out the Left from the party. If he wins, the Left is done in British politics for good.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
There's more at stake this time though Whirly, given Starmer has rooted out the Left from the party. If he wins, the Left is done in British politics for good.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
There's more at stake this time though Whirly, given Starmer has rooted out the Left from the party. If he wins, the Left is done in British politics for good.

Originally posted by Blakemore
If you exclude the Blair years as left wing, which I assume you do, then Labour have only been in power for 11 years since Queen Elizabeth took over...

Is your point that they wouldn't be electable? If so I would refer you to the 2017 election where Corbyn made Tories lose their majority, and was only 2% behind in votes.

My main issue is however, with the Left rooted out of Labour, what kind of democratic choice are we left with? Centre Right (with some added wokeness) vs a bit more Centre Right (and less wokeness) ?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Is your point that they wouldn't be electable? If so I would refer you to the 2017 election where Corbyn made Tories lose their majority, and was only 2% behind in votes.

My main issue is however, with the Left rooted out of Labour, what kind of democratic choice are we left with? Centre Right (with some added wokeness) vs a bit more Centre Right (and less wokeness) ?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Is your point that they wouldn't be electable? If so I would refer you to the 2017 election where Corbyn made Tories lose their majority, and was only 2% behind in votes.

My main issue is however, with the Left rooted out of Labour, what kind of democratic choice are we left with? Centre Right (with some added wokeness) vs a bit more Centre Right (and less wokeness) ?

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
No, my main point is even if the leader was the pigs head Cameron ****ed they must be elected instead of the Tories.

That was in response to Blakemore. But I like the reference to Black Mirror 😂

Anyway lets wait and see who the new Tory leader is, and then compare them to Starmer. And then give your case why that Back Stabber Starmer MUST be elected.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
That was in response to Blakemore. But I like the reference to Black Mirror 😂

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Blair and Kinnock also rooted out the far left. Blair till the war was brilliant. The left will always come back as long as the Unions exist, we need the Tories out before the UK returns to the 1930's in its class division.

Just seen this post now...

Just because they've been rooted out before doesn't mean we should encourage it now.

And still don't get why you're assuming Back Stabber Starmer would be better than "Insert Tory leader"... Blair had other stuff going for him at least. He always had a few left causes like fighting for introducing the minimum wage (long before he was elected PM)...

But what exactly is there about Starmer, except rooting out the Left? Saying he needs to be elected simply to get rid of Tories isn't good enough, because like I keep saying, there's literally nothing to suggest he'd be any better. He in fact has proven to be a liar, a back stabber, a man with no consistent beliefs or morals and only out for himself.

But anyway I digress:

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Anyway lets wait and see who the new Tory leader is, and then compare them to Starmer. And then give your case why that Back Stabber Starmer MUST be elected.

Originally posted by Blakemore
That was like 6 years ago...

That was the pilot episode right?

It initially put me off the show, but then was encouraged to give it another chance...

Originally posted by Darth Thor
That was the pilot episode right?

It initially put me off the show, but then was encouraged to give it another chance...

I remember putting a comic on facebook at the time with a parody of Terrence and Phillip uncle ****er but it's them in the house of commons.

Corbyn: You're such a pig ****er David!
Cameron: Jeremy, why did you call me a pig ****er?
Corbyn: Hmm, let's see. First of all, you **** pigs!
Cameron: Oh yeah! 😄

The second episode put me off. A really depressing scenario have how everything turns dark and depressing when you turn technology off.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Just seen this post now...

Just because they've been rooted out before doesn't mean we should encourage it now.

And still don't get why you're assuming Back Stabber Starmer would be better than "Insert Tory leader"... Blair had other stuff going for him at least. He always had a few left causes like fighting for introducing the minimum wage (long before he was elected PM)...

But what exactly is there about Starmer, except rooting out the Left? Saying he needs to be elected simply to get rid of Tories isn't good enough, because like I keep saying, there's literally nothing to suggest he'd be any better. He in fact has proven to be a liar, a back stabber, a man with no consistent beliefs or morals and only out for himself.

But anyway I digress:

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Anyway lets wait and see who the new Tory leader is, and then compare them to Starmer. And then give your case why that Back Stabber Starmer MUST be elected.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Let's not forget the hypocrisy of Starmer on this. He was a hard core remainer, was reported to have got in shouting matches with Corbyn pressuring him to support a second referendum, was the Shadow Brexit Secretary, so likely came up with the "Credible deal vs Remain" nonsensical referendum that was responsible for Labour's biggest defeat in history...

And now after all that, supports a Hard Brexit 😬

I get he has no choice but to support Brexit now, but wth happened to his "Credible" deal ? (Was supposed to be a Soft Brexit).

It's what I mean when I say he's got no consistent morals or beliefs of any kind. He's only out for himself, and will say whatever it takes to get elected, and screw over whoever he has to. Just look what he's done to poor JC. No doubt it's what his Zionist donors demanded.

I've said for years that Labour's wind vane politics are a serious problem and that they chop and change with apparently no consistent goals or values. Even now they've abandoned their 2019 pledges and are "starting from scratch"

I've also said several times that he's basically an empty suit and that if Labour get into power it'll be because the Tories lose rather than Labour winning.

The issue is there hasn't been a more inept and corrupt government in the UK's history than has just been under Johnson. And it resulted in countless billions squandered and defrauded to the point where 3 different ethics and anti corruption advisors have resigned from the government.
Their own investigation into #PartyGate started with the investigator having to resign because they'd been and one of the parties.
Johnson got a blow job in his parliamentary office while Foreign Secretary then tried to get the women a 6 figure salary job with the Government for her efforts. He tried to hand government contracts to a woman he was having an affair with.

Let's not forget my favourite from the last couple of years