Originally posted by Galan007I hadn't really though ot if like that. 👆
I think it was less about the manipulations done to reality, and more about the manipulator behind them.Certainly Mxy could(and has) affected reality on that kind of scale -- but if indeed we believe that Manhattan > Mxy(and again, I DO), then perhaps Mxy just lacked the power to undo any changes made by a more powerful being... Similarly to how Rip Hunter(who typically has access to ANY point in all of Hypertime) was unable to access the points in time centered around Batman's death, because they were effectively locked away by Darkseid's Omega energy:
https://ibb.co/Pw9sgXqAnother analogy: if Thanos /w/ THOTI subtly manipulated reality and said "this is how I want it to be for all time", it's doubtful that someone like Franklin Richards would then be able to come in and undo said manipulations, as he simply isn't powerful enough to override the will/power of a being that is higher on the cosmological totem pole.
...Or perhaps Mxy could have undone Manhattan's alterations, but didn't want to risk incurring his wrath(Mxy did seem quite fearful of him, after all.) /shrug
Originally posted by Galan007
Sure, but that goes back to my previous point: Mxy stated that Manhattan was more powerful than himself, and we haven't yet been given a legitimate reason to doubt his claims.He certainly had no reason to randomly lowball his power in front of Superman/Lois/Jon, though. /shrug
True. You do know Mxys capabilities moreso than most posters here and have an unbiased pov so I'd concede the notion.
Originally posted by Sin I AMI am, and will always be, Mxy's biggest fangirl -- I have been championing him for well over a decade now. If there were any reason to suspect that he was legitimately > Manhattan, I would be the first to [happily] point it out.
True. You do know Mxys capabilities moreso than most posters here and have an unbiased pov so I'd concede the notion.
Originally posted by Galan007
What feats do the Beyonders have that are above Mxy's best, iyo?
mxy best is the wf feat, but we can't scale him at that level consistently, because mxy also has feats to suggest he is below beyonder, what happened with sbp for example
beyonder was stated to be infinite dimensional, he was million times more powerful than the rest of the multiverse combined, and we know it was in fact a multiverse of infinite dimensions
mxy snapped away a infinite multiverse with his finger, beyonder was million times more powerful than a infinite multiverse
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
it needs to be looked at on a casebycase basis IMO. like a bunch of characters in marvel and dc have been proclaimed as "the strongest" only for that to be proven wrong by the end of the storyarc. so i say give a new character boasting that kind of power enough time to see if it actually might be true. don't just cling to an empty statement or two right off the bat.and also keep in mind that a characters status is ALWAYS subject to change. like next month it could be revealed that geb is actually just mxy disguising himself because he was bored. a characters level is always just one issue away from being totally altered by the writers..
Then we go by what information we have up to that point.
Sure, next issue of Flash might have a new character even faster than him. But as of right now, he's the Fastest Man Alive.
Originally posted by MrMindYou implied that Beyonder's feats were sufficient to make him Mxy-level+. I asked what feats you were referring to, and you only posted statements.
mxy best is the wf feat, but we can't scale him at that level consistently, because mxy also has feats to suggest he is below beyonder, what happened with sbp for examplebeyonder was stated to be infinite dimensional, he was million times more powerful than the rest of the multiverse combined, and we know it was in fact a multiverse of infinite dimensions
mxy snapped away a infinite multiverse with his finger, beyonder was million times more powerful than a infinite multiverse
And no, Mxy's feat was far [infinitely] beyond multiversal, given that he also wiped out DC's higher dimensional planes. I know you are aware of this, so I'm not sure what the angle is here..?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWIt's a slippery slope to assume that every word that comes out of Mxy's mouth is a lie. For example, Mxy also stated that he and Bat-Mite were the guardian angels of Superman and Batman, and that he'd been infusing Supes with 5D energy over the years -- he also went on to detail DC's current cosmology, etc. Do we assume all of that was a lie as well? Because afaik, pretty much everyone assumed said dialogue was factual from the onset. /shrug
Mxy is not really a credible source for anything. He is an actor.It's even worse than posting statements from Loki and Mephisto as "facts".
I've read enough of Galan's rants to know that Manhattan is not even worthy of giving Mxy a rimjob.
In Manhattan's case, Mxy stated(and reiterated) that Manhattan was beyond him... And aside from the fact that he had no story-related purpose to lowball his power in front of Superman/Lois/Jon, we were also never given a legitimate reason to question his claims.
Moreover, in the instances where Mxy is genuinely f*cking around, he usually makes it known -- like when he was trolling SBP.