Superman vs. Gladiator, Hyperion, Sentry and Count Nefaria

Originally posted by carver9
@Stoic...

Wonder Woman vs God Superman who was amped off of infinite energy.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/comicnewbies.com/2015/12/30/superman-vs-wonder-woman-darkseid-war/amp/

Also, Diana beat Superman in Sacrifice while holding back which is the reason why Superman likers try to exempt the showing (lets not even forget about him being sun amped as well). This is how the fight in sacrifice ended between Supes and Wonder Woman...

https://imgur.io/V3NWfdu

All she had to do was press her attack but she decided to kill Max instead.

Mmmmm mind controlled Hulk Vs Thing.

But then, as a mod has said, you're a stupid lying troll 😂

Originally posted by carver9
@Stoic...

Wonder Woman vs God Superman who was amped off of infinite energy.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/comicnewbies.com/2015/12/30/superman-vs-wonder-woman-darkseid-war/amp/

Also, Diana beat Superman in Sacrifice while holding back which is the reason why Superman likers try to exempt the showing (lets not even forget about him being sun amped as well). This is how the fight in sacrifice ended between Supes and Wonder Woman...

https://imgur.io/V3NWfdu

All she had to do was press her attack but she decided to kill Max instead.

For someone that brings up "context" a lot, you sure do like to ignore it when it suits you.

Originally posted by -Pr-
For someone that brings up "context" a lot, you sure do like to ignore it when it suits you.

Lol... i only mentioned Sacrifice because he brought it up. Never would've used the showing. He needed to be corrected.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... i only mentioned Sacrifice because he brought it up. Never would've used the showing. He needed to be corrected.

Like they said, you’re ignoring context, or can’t see the other side of the coin.

Originally posted by carver9
Wouldn't say wank, she is just powerful AF. Also, I must wank Thor harder since I mentioned in another thread that he kills her...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t680425.html

🤷🏾‍♂️

It comes off as disingenuous. She isn't that uber.

tbh, it depends on which version of superman here, because if its the metafictional embodiment of hope superman that must win no matter what, then yes Id agree superman would win

but if its just your average superman, then he gets stomped here

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... i only mentioned Sacrifice because he brought it up. Never would've used the showing. He needed to be corrected.

A reason isn't the same as an excuse.

Stoic, do you know the difference between hero time to win and what SHOULD actually happen? EVERY hero starts out losing then make the GREAT COMEBACK to win because that's what the writer wants. On KMC, in a battle board Superman WILL NOT have writers protecting him. Do you think they're going to let the bad guy take over the world or destroy the world??? In a comic Superman does not win because of his power set he wins because he's the hero. On a battle board against certain characters, HE'S GOING TO GET DESTROYED.

Originally posted by JBL
Stoic, do you know the difference between hero time to win and what SHOULD actually happen? EVERY hero starts out losing then make the GREAT COMEBACK to win because that's what the writer wants. On KMC, in a battle board Superman WILL NOT have writers protecting him. Do you think they're going to let the bad guy take over the world or destroy the world??? In a comic Superman does not win because of his power set he wins because he's the hero. On a battle board against certain characters, HE'S GOING TO GET DESTROYED.

Or maybe, just maybe, a lot of the time the writers sometimes facilitate Superman (and most other characters) winning by giving him the powers that would achieve such a thing. That's how we determine tiers and rankings.

The Punisher doesn't gun down the mafia by pointing his fingers and going "pew pew". The writer puts a gun in his hand. Or do you not understand the process of fiction writing.

Originally posted by -Pr-
The Punisher doesn't gun down the mafia by pointing his fingers and going "pew pew".

Giving his reputation, I could totally see him giving gangsters heart attacks by doing that.

Originally posted by carver9
Wouldn't she have to beat him unconcious in order to win? I literally said she can beat Hulk and you're worried about how, lmao. Just know, she knocks Superman tf out.

Originally posted by carver9
@Stoic...

Wonder Woman vs God Superman who was amped off of infinite energy.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/comicnewbies.com/2015/12/30/superman-vs-wonder-woman-darkseid-war/amp/

Also, Diana beat Superman in Sacrifice while holding back which is the reason why Superman likers try to exempt the showing (lets not even forget about him being sun amped as well). This is how the fight in sacrifice ended between Supes and Wonder Woman...

https://imgur.io/V3NWfdu

All she had to do was press her attack but she decided to kill Max instead.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
It comes off as disingenuous. She isn't that uber.

She is that uber and she have the fts proving it.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Or maybe, just maybe, a lot of the time the writers sometimes facilitate Superman (and most other characters) winning by giving him the powers that would achieve such a thing. That's how we determine tiers and rankings.

The Punisher doesn't gun down the mafia by pointing his fingers and going "pew pew". The writer puts a gun in his hand. Or do you not understand the process of fiction writing.

Originally posted by carver9
She is that uber and she have the fts proving it.

Originally posted by JBL
That's not how comics work. Especially with hero's. Superman and other heros will be allowed to win against threats that are far stronger and far more powerful because that's what the reader wants. Darkseid has proven many times that he can kill superman, so the reader gets excitement from superman defeating such a threat. That's with any hero that's powerful. Now go behind the scenes and take the characters away from their scripted fights and you now have battle boards. You see, batman fight and survive against Dracula in the comics, he will be dead on a battle board against Dracula. Spider-Man dead, Daredevil dead, Hawkeye dead, Wasp dead, cannonball dead, human torch dead, Captain America dead. And 95 percent of powerful heroes would be dead in a Forum battle facing far more powerful villains.

Most of Darkseid's losses were retconned to avatars anyway.

Originally posted by Philosophía
This is not pre-Crisis Superman, this is [early] post-Crisis Superman, the weakest version.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I have read all of the appearances, ever, of any character in this thread -- so I know all of their feats.

Originally posted by zom1967
And as for you null you will find that 6,000 fictitios comic book collection and I will blow you away in a real debate!

Originally posted by Philosophía
So I'm just going to use the bare minimum to show you how far off they are, and show the true absurdity of this statements:

Originally posted by Philosophía
You'll have to earn your way into the top 20, then top 15, then top 10 feats of Superman for each category.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I could be taking the piss here and start posting Superman's speed feats where he vibrates intangible, invisible, changes the frequency of planets and the like, but I want to at least give you a chance to find their level for the 'simplified' version of abilities like speed.

- Action Comics (2011) #26

Or any other situation where powers like "intangibility," and "invisibility," would've been useful, because I can think of a few.

Could it be that these powers are not consistently part of his powerset?

Originally posted by Philosophía
Or do you want me to see how they match Superman's versatility? To see you "flex" Gladiator and Hyperion's versatility and how it matches "Superman's best"? I'm willing to let this slide, but.. Just say the word 🙂

Originally posted by Philosophía
As of right now, I'll still be waiting for feats from both Gladiator and Hyperion matching or exceeding this, then we can maybe move on from the weakest Superman.

Hm, but wait..

Already?

And not even an ounce of Hyperion?

Originally posted by Philosophía
I also see we went from "Gladiator and Hyperion by themselves can match Superman and his best feats" to "...uhm....in these 3 specific categories" -- you should have included that as a "ASStner post interpretation" footnote.

Hyperion holding apart two Earths in Avengers (2013) #4 is on the same scale as Superman bench-pressing the Wolrd in Superman (2011) #13 which is his best feat.

Granted, if you're going to fall back on the writer like abhilegend suggests we do, then Hyperion did not only hold apart two universes but he also survived their destruction. I disagree with it, but I think it's an interpretation worth mentioning.

Originally posted by Astner
Yeah, just like that. But the feat you showed has supposedly been matched by Hyperion according to DarkSaint85. And the feat that was referenced (but has yet to be posted) was supposedly Superman's greatest reaction feat.

It has? I said that?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Phil brought it up as a warm-up. So h1's statement - that the femtosecond feat is THE most impressive - doesn't exclude Phil's, which is here is AN impressive feat.

That's what I said. I was pointing out AN impressive feat is being brought up isn't the same as h1's MOST impressive. I don't see why you're misinterpreting this (for Hyperion??)?

No, it was h1a8.

You all kind of blend together when you keep responding for each other.

Originally posted by h1a8
Gladiator best perception feat is like a punch thrown in a nanosecond.

👆 that's the problem with public forums, I guess, and public conversations.

In Sweden, you can have a conversation with a tree.