Originally posted by carver9
He didn't almost kill her and again, she was the only one able to stand up to him.
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And overpowered her again before Red Tornado summoned by Zatanna saved her again.
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In short, you're a ****ing idiot as always.
Originally posted by AstnerWhile it is fair enough -- might even say splendid enough -- that you acknowledge your mistake, I'm still going to need you to post feats that match the weakest Superman's one, for both Gladiator and Hyperion.
Fair enough.
But, again, if you want "just like that" to acknowledge that you have nothing, and early-post Crisis Superman is faster than both of them, and retract your statement:
Originally posted by Astner
Gladiator and Hyperion both have showings that contend with Superman's best showings.
It's all good.
Originally posted by AstnerWhat are you talking about? No, Darksaint has never said such a thing, and the feat has not been matched. And no, h1 hasn't said it about Hyperion, he has said it about Gladiator.
Yeah, just like that. But the feat you showed has supposedly been matched by Hyperion according to DarkSaint85. And the feat that was referenced (but has yet to be posted) was supposedly Superman's greatest reaction feat.
And no, Gladiator's "throwing a punch in a few nanoseconds" is much slower than Superman having a whole multi-page extended conversation, casually, in a fraction of a nanosecond, an instant suspended between „eternities of past and future” – a time suspension. It's the difference between you being able to throw a punch in secondS, and me being able to have a whole conversation in a fraction of a second suspended into eternity -- I'd be extremely faster than you.
So again, Hyperion. Gladiator. Show me your best. Or you can acknowledge he is Gladiator is significantly slower and Hyperion is not even in the same stratosphere as that version of Superman -- and we move on from this.
Originally posted by AstnerThe reason is because I'm playing slow and tight with your butthole -- I don't need to post any of his top feats, I can just post ones that are down the ladder, to have you twisting into a pretzel trying to match it -- as a consequence showing how many tiers of feats they're below anything approaching current Superman.
You should be able to do that with just his greatest feat. Draging it out is a waste of time for everyone.
The only reason you're doing this is because you want to play fast an loose.
Originally posted by AstnerCharacters being at the whims of the plot and not using abilities they've demonstrated in canon [which is the relevant part -- proven in canon to possess the ability] is a staple of comics. As Endless Mike has summarized:
Speaking of which, why didn't Superman use his vibration-intangability to counteract Ghost Soldier's?
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Characters not always using every power they have in the optimum way is pretty much the definition of PIS. Otherwise most Flash, Silver Surfer, Doctor Fate, and Doctor Strange comics would be over in 1 or 2 panels.
Btw, didn't you just this weekend use Surfer creating a black hole using Airwalker [while hilariously posting the wrong scans] in another thread?
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=17561981&highlight=userid%3A96799#post17561981
lol, what a guy.
Originally posted by AstnerIs this you acknowledging that Gladiator and Hyperion can match Superman's best versatility feats?
Show me.
I want to make sure to gather all of your claims here in one place.
Originally posted by AstnerI'm not selecting any random feat category -- I'm going by your own statements, that both Hyperion and Gladiator can match Superman's best feats, and going through each category's moderate feats to see what you can match.
So you're free to select a random feat category, but when I suggest we should just look at the three most common you throw in the towel?
Up until now, you've already failed in the first category against the weakest Superman.
Then, to make sure I don't start going through the other dozen of categories, you go from "Superman's best showings" to "Superman's best showings ...... in these 3 categories".
That's fine, I'm very accommodating. But I'll need you to retract your initial statements, and we can move on.
Originally posted by Astner
Hyperion holding apart two Earths in Avengers (2013) #4 is on the same scale as Superman bench-pressing the Wolrd in Superman (2011) #13 which is his best feat.
But then, we're back to square one and you making statements on topics you just simply don't have the knowledge to do so, that I'll later make you walk back. Why do you say that Superman benching the Earth is his best feat, when you clearly don't know the character that well?
Furthermore -- Hyperion trying and soon failing to stop the planets from touching is comparable to Superman bench pressing the Earth for 5 days and only breaking a single drop of sweat because of lack of sunlight as a casual exercise and not even finding his upper limit?
Ok. As I said -- I'm very accomodating. That means that young New 52 Superman's casual 5-days exercise in which he fails to even struggle/find a limit is comparable to Hyperion with the fate of his Universe on the line.
Nice. Now, we also have to take into account that:
1). New 52 Superman was young and was training to get stronger, and has specifically exceeded the power-output he has shown in that showing:
https://ibb.co/TTcvcPm
2). Has shown to be orders of magnitudes above this when stopped and pushed clear the [alongiside a burning Martian Manhunter] Brainiac's ship which dwarfed the entire Earth-Moon system:
3). New 52 Superman is a depowered version of current Superman, having been split in two in order to weaken him, and he is just a part of current Superman's power.
https://ibb.co/t8VcmqN
So sadly we, again, have to go lower than New 52 Superman, too. To show Superman, you know, putting up effort for a similar feat, too.
So, let's go to....a young post-Crisis Superman, to show something similar -- Starbreaker is throwing Earth into the Sun -- Superman aided by Green Lantern's harness slows it down, then brings it back into orbit:
PS: I'm still waiting for Gladiator feats here.
To summarize your contentions:
"Gladiator and Hyperion are by themselves a match for Superman" [nothing]
"Gladiator and Hyperion both have showings that contend with Superman's best showings." [modified to "in 3 select categories"]
Speed -> weakest early post-Crisis version of Superman is faster than Gladiator and Hyperion by various orders of magnitude [no feat of Hyperion's has even been posted]
Strength -> [no feat of Gladiator's has even been posted] planetary [momentarily] posted for Hyperion that is comparable with a young post-Crisis Superman, and you've compared with a casual 5-day-one-sweat-exercise from New 52 Superman [who has both exceeded that level, has better feats, and is just a depowered version of Superman]
Originally posted by abhilegend
Why do you continue to lie? Amazo almost killed her in two pages until Zatanna saved her.https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VTUkIh0ZSCQ/VuJs6-parUI/AAAAAAAAI0w/rQavOJNysYUK_PEc2GTBoYGRucC1DvvGQCCo/s1600-Ic42/RCO011.jpg
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So him having an advantage over her at some points mean he was about to kill her? Gotcha.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Giving his reputation, I could totally see him giving gangsters heart attacks by doing that.
😂
That is a good point, yes.
Originally posted by JBL
That's not how comics work. Especially with hero's. Superman and other heros will be allowed to win against threats that are far stronger and far more powerful because that's what the reader wants. Darkseid has proven many times that he can kill superman, so the reader gets excitement from superman defeating such a threat. That's with any hero that's powerful. Now go behind the scenes and take the characters away from their scripted fights and you now have battle boards. You see, batman fight and survive against Dracula in the comics, he will be dead on a battle board against Dracula. Spider-Man dead, Daredevil dead, Hawkeye dead, Wasp dead, cannonball dead, human torch dead, Captain America dead. And 95 percent of powerful heroes would be dead in a Forum battle facing far more powerful villains.
Actually, editing my previous post. I don't think anyone is actually that stupid, so nice trolling. You had me fooled for a sec, not gonna lie.
"not how comics work" lol. Good one.
Originally posted by -Pr-
😂That is a good point, yes.
Actually, editing my previous post. I don't think anyone is actually that stupid, so nice trolling. You had me fooled for a sec, not gonna lie.
"not how comics work" lol. Good one.
You know it's bad when accusing them of being a troll is the charitable POV.
I haven’t been keeping up with many of the various statements, but I’d like to bring up the fact that Superman is the most magical character that is not actually magical as they come.
When Superman gets hurt, he regenerates while in the meantime his opponents will often continue to lose hit points. Superman unlike Gladiator has this ability, or his healing factor is far superior to Gladiator’s. Make sense? If not, you should notice that although Gladiator may be as durable as Superman, he can not recover anywhere nearly as fast as Superman can. None of these guys can. Well except for the Sentry, but again, Superman can weather far more than city wide firestorms.
I am not saying that this is the outermost limits of the Sentry’s power. What I am saying, is that was the extent seen of this version of the Sentry. He was, and still is unaware of how to use all of his power. Remember that the Sentry is literally as powerful as Robert believes that he is with an upper limit of one million exploding stars. In this way alone, he is much like Bizarro, while having greater potential.
They can’t win.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
They share a powerset. So it's logical to assume that if a weaker character with the same powerset does something, a stronger one can as well.
Or you could just use Superman fts for himself. Black Adam and Captain Marvel doesn't share fts. Hyperion and Gladiator doesn't share fts. Hulk and Skaar doesn't share fts. Just not how this works.
Originally posted by carver9
Or you could just use Superman fts for himself. Black Adam and Captain Marvel doesn't share fts. Hyperion and Gladiator doesn't share fts. Hulk and Skaar doesn't share fts. Just not how this works.
Well then, I guess that means that nearly every Dragonball franchise character can't destroy a planet, since only a handful of them ever have. 🙄
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Remember you just recently argued Hulk is skyfather+ level based on his performance against Odinforce Thor?also wasnt that feat PIS or something?
IOW, scaling Hulk to Odin and Thor
Thor is always shaky to scale against based on his previous crappy low ends where he used to lose to nearly everyone.
also average carver moment
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Remember you just recently argued Hulk is skyfather+ level based on his performance against Odinforce Thor?IOW, scaling Hulk to Odin and Thor
I'm saying Hulk is more powerful than Thor and a Celestial. That's different than saying Hulk could replicate Thor fts. 🤦🏿
