Superman vs. Gladiator, Hyperion, Sentry and Count Nefaria

Originally posted by abhilegend
Even Supergirl has feats like this recently.

No one is citing the Hulk's or Thor's crazy feats in this thread. And Gladiator and Hyperion have what, a percentage of number Superman's appearances?

The fact that you still have to rely on cross-referencing only proves my point.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, that's not how collision works lol.

Originally posted by abhilegend
McDuffie accepted it was an error, unless you think real moon is basically a mountain as Batman stated that it has the mass of the real moon.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wut? They were not in Earth's atmosphere.

Originally posted by abhilegend
How's it questionable?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lolwut? Are you stoned or something?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not even close lmao.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Not familiar, would I need the link? I'm reporting this secondhand which is why I understand if people don't buy it, since I've never personally seen the statement on the site either. I do think given the rest of the dialog on the page it's fairly obvious what the author intended though.

Yeah, you'd need the link to the original dead site and work with that.

But knowing KMC, someone here probably still has screenshots.

Why are we applying RL physics to one side (OMG THE EFFECT OF GRAVITY!!) to one side, but not the other?

Originally posted by Astner
Maybe? I don't know where this is from, so I can't tell you whether it's accurate or not. But it doesn't change the fact that Superman doesn't have these kind of feats.

No one is citing the Hulk's or Thor's crazy feats in this thread. And Gladiator and Hyperion have what, a percentage of number Superman's appearances?

The fact that you still have to rely on cross-referencing only proves my point.

Supergirl is a secondary member of Superman mythos, Gladiator isn't.

That depends on the collision. I imaigne Neme relying on a rigid body model and a transfer of momentum, but that's inapplicable for since we're dealing with fragmentation.

Wut?

It's a canonical value tied to the feat, whether you accept it or not doesn't matter. It should be brought up.

No, but they were protecting the Earth from a collision with it. And the minimum requirement is to fragment the moon into pieces that would disintegrate in the atmosphere.

Are you stupid or something? Straight up making stuff up and ignoring basic common sense.

Because it happened in the sixth dimension, and because a number of Supermen had died on the same planet.

How are you this stupid? How does that makes it questionable?

I'm at work, so I can't proof-check it right now, but I'll get back to you.

Calm down dude, it's just a debate.

😂

Has Carver infected you?

Careful, Carver is the world's biggest expert on mobile phones, he can violate you by telegram.

I'm pretty sure that even if a bunch of fragments small enough to burn up in the atmosphere hit the Earth at such speeds, they would still cause devastating amounts of damage. After all, a meteor's kinetic energy doesn't just disappear when it burns up, it's transferred to the atmosphere in the form of heat. You'd get a bunch of explosions greater than any nuke going off in the atmosphere. People would die and the biosphere would suffer. In fact there's a hypothesis that about 11,500 years ago, this happened when a comet broke up and many pieces entered Earth's atmosphere. None of them hit the surface, but it still triggered mass extinctions. And that was a lot less mass than this, moving a lot slower.

As for the mass of the moon, an easy in-universe explanation is that Batman just misspoke. He is human, believe it or not.

Also.... isn't it, you know, magic?

Great trolling from Astner, didn't know he could do this. Top notch! 👆

Originally posted by abhilegend
Supergirl is a secondary member of Superman mythos, Gladiator isn't.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wut?

I get what Neme is trying to do, I really do...he's trying to inject the kinetic energy of the Shadow Moon into feat, the problem is that it's about honest as relying on finite element methods (or some other iterative process) to determine how much energy it would take to crack the Earth in half.

Calculations have always been used to determine the minimum values associated with feats for reference, because generally feats aren't consistent with physics, so the moment you start to cherry-pick and apply reflection principles to show how destroying a planet a certain way should require more energy than it would to disintegrate a neutron star you've messed up.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you stupid or something? Straight up making stuff up and ignoring basic common sense.

Originally posted by abhilegend
How are you this stupid? How does that makes it questionable?

Originally posted by Astner

Calm down dude, it's just a debate.

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂

Has Carver infected you?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I'm pretty sure that even if a bunch of fragments small enough to burn up in the atmosphere hit the Earth at such speeds, they would still cause devastating amounts of damage. After all, a meteor's kinetic energy doesn't just disappear when it burns up, it's transferred to the atmosphere in the form of heat. You'd get a bunch of explosions greater than any nuke going off in the atmosphere. People would die and the biosphere would suffer. In fact there's a hypothesis that about 11,500 years ago, this happened when a comet broke up and many pieces entered Earth's atmosphere. None of them hit the surface, but it still triggered mass extinctions. And that was a lot less mass than this, moving a lot slower.

Originally posted by Astner
You're missing the point here. We're comparing high-ends to figure out how these characters are consistently portrayed because it's simpler than going through their entire portfolios of feats.

No, you are taking Gladiator/Hyperion best feats against Superman's middle tier feats.

It was fragmented, not deflected, and even if you want to assume that the fragments were deflected assuming that the deflection angle was 180-degrees is overly-generous.

Nonsense. Superman overcame the momentum and the gravitational binding energy of the shadow moon. That's far above deflection.

I get what Neme is trying to do, I really do...he's trying to inject the kinetic energy of the Shadow Moon into feat, the problem is that it's about honest as relying on finite element methods (or some other iterative process) to determine how much energy it would take to crack the Earth in half.

Its really not that hard, Superman had to overcome the momentum and the GBE of the shadow moon.

Calculations have always been used to determine the minimum values associated with feats for reference, because generally feats aren't consistent with physics, so the moment you start to cherry-pick and apply reflection principles to show how destroying a planet a certain way should require more energy than it would to disintegrate a neutron star you've messed up.

This isn't that hard lol.

I'm not sure why you get so defensive about me referencing a feat. I gave you the issue number, you can look it up for yourself.

No, I want your explanation as to what makes it questionable.

Obviously only a small fraction of the fragments would actually reach the Earth, the number would correspond to how far away it was when it was fragmented.

Why are we talking about fragments lol.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Great trolling from Astner, didn't know he could do this. Top notch! 👆

Pretty much.

On one hand: 'Please explain the physics behind a magical shadow moon, and how gravity is taken into account with a giant alien spaceship.

OTOH: Hyperion holds two earths apart with the palms of his hands, and Gladiator crosses galaxies in the blink of an eye, lol.

Abhi then gets whipped into a frenzy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, you are taking Gladiator/Hyperion best feats against Superman's middle tier feats.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nonsense. Superman overcame the momentum and the gravitational binding energy of the shadow moon.

Its really not that hard, Superman had to overcome the momentum and the GBE of the shadow moon.

You're trying to turn the destruction of a body with the mass of the moon to that of a planet.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, I want your explanation as to what makes it questionable.

I'm not sure why you're so bothered by this. I already gave you the feat.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why are we talking about fragments lol.

IIRC it was closer than the real moon when it was destroyed. Also, if the KE wasn't overwhelmed, the vast majority of the fragments would be still be heading in the same direction that the shadow moon itself was: right at the Earth. Even if only a millionth of it's full mass hit the Earth, moving at that speed, that would be enough to kill all life on the planet. But as far as we know, no one died and no damage was done, so it must have been fully deflected.

Originally posted by Astner
If this was the case then you wouldn't be referencing Supergirl's feats.

That was supplementary evidence.

Only the latter. There's no reason to assume that he cancelled out the momentum.

You're trying to turn the destruction of a body with the mass of the moon to that of a planet.

Yes, he did.

I already explained why, it was in the sixth dimension, dozens of Supermen had died on the planet, we know nothing of the size of the planet, and we don't actually see it shatter we're only told it does.

😂

We straight up see the planet shatter below him, what are you smoking?

We also know that the planet had enough gravity to stop Superman from flying off, so it was absolutely bigger than Earth.

I'm not sure why you're so bothered by this. I already gave you the feat.

😂

You think you can give a feat?

Because it's an important aspect of the feat?

No, they are not?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
IIRC it was closer than the real moon when it was destroyed. Also, if the KE wasn't overwhelmed, the vast majority of the fragments would be still be heading in the same direction that the shadow moon itself was: right at the Earth. Even if only a millionth of it's full mass hit the Earth, moving at that speed, that would be enough to kill all life on the planet. But as far as we know, no one died and no damage was done, so it must have been fully deflected.

Let's calculate how much force it needs to make a moon fade out of existence.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Pretty much.

On one hand: 'Please explain the physics behind a magical shadow moon, and how gravity is taken into account with a giant alien spaceship.

OTOH: Hyperion holds two earths apart with the palms of his hands, and Gladiator crosses galaxies in the blink of an eye, lol.

Abhi then gets whipped into a frenzy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Actually he hit the moon so hard that the fragments faded away from existence.

Let's calculate how much force it needs to make a moon fade out of existence.

I thought that was due to its magical nature. Anyway, at the speed it was moving, the fragments would have hit the Earth's atmosphere before that happened anyway, if the momentum wasn't countered.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I thought that was due to its magical nature. Anyway, at the speed it was moving, the fragments would have hit the Earth's atmosphere before that happened anyway, if the momentum wasn't countered.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Actually he hit the moon so hard that the fragments faded away from existence.

Let's calculate how much force it needs to make a moon fade out of existence.

Anyway, I'm having lunch now and then I need to get some work done.

Originally posted by Astner
Okay Abhi, you win. The fragments of the magical Shadow Moon weren't deflected they faded away. Meaning we can ignore the supposed deflection entierly.

Good talk.