Philosophía
"The devil made me do it"
Originally posted by Astner
1. Sure, it was a regular exercise but there's still a lot of things we don't know about it, for all we know those five days could've amounted to one rep. But you're missing the point here. There's nothing to imply that Hyperion was at the limit of his strength when he held the two Earths apart, or that Superman's feat is necessarily greater. That's your interpretation, but it's not a necessary interpertation.
Superman did the feat with extreme ease for 5 days to the point that he broke a single drop of sweat due to lack of sunlight, and he was disappointed afterwards of how easy it was. Hyperion was trying to save his whole Universe and only managed to do it briefly, failed, and then the whole Universe was destroyed.
If both you and Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson would lift 100 kg, but you'd have your balls fall off after a few seconds, while he'd be disappointed that it's so easy and he can't get something heavier, it wouldn't make you comparable.
Regarding the mountain statements -- one thing doesn't negate the other, the same way Flash going absurdly fast and then getting tagged by The Trickster doesn't negate his speed feats.
Originally posted by Astner
2. Volume is not indicative of mass, especially not when we're dealing with a setting with nature defying properties. And as far as I recall, we were never given a number of its mass. However, what is indicative of mass is gravity, and the gravitational influence of the mothership had on the Earth and the Moon was not significant enough to imply that we were dealing with anything close to planetary-masses.
Comics aren't scientific papers and various laws of physics are circumvented all the time -- you're literally talking about Hyperion using his palms to separate planets, and you're coming at me to give you exact technical specifications for Brainiac's ship or why the author didn't include gravitational effects? Lol, ASStner. The ship was bigger than the entire Earth-Moon system and the author put an emphasis on it bigger than the planet to show the above planetary-level magnitude multiple times -- but I'm sure the intention is that it's actually very light, and Superman is laughing inside because he deduced it with his super-senses so he's just trolling Martian Manhunter.
Originally posted by Astner
3. It's been some time since I read the story. But Superman wasn't negating any natural force, he was negating Stardestroyers pull on the planet...which similarly is never quantified. Not to mention, wasn't he losing before the Justice League figured out that Stardetroyer was a vampire that fed on hopelessness. Anyway, the point is you can't put a number on this feat.Of course, this isn't Hyperion's only planet-level feat in Avengers (2013) vol #23 he stops a planet-sized asteroid heading towards Earth.
I see abhi has already addressed this -- be that as it may, they stopped the Earth from plummeting into the sun as it was thrown, and
after thatwere only
starting to lose ground as Starbreaker was using his power constantly to hurl it, until he was drained. Once he was drained, they moved Earth
back into orbit. In essence -- temporarily resisting Earth being thrown in the sun by Starbreaker's [immense] power and then moving the Earth back to its normal place. Hyperion briefly holding and then failing Earth at best comparable with this. The other was addressed by abhi.
Originally posted by Astner
Granted, I can't recall any specific instances of Gladiator moving planets, but he has matched Hyperion in physical in Quasar #54 (if that counts?) And Gladiator did shatter a planet with his bare hands in Marvel Comics Presents #49, which makes the Shadow Moon feat pale in comparison.Note that the point I'm trying to make isn't that they're stronger than Superman, my point is that they're comparable to him.
ASStner, that's a different Hyperion than the one in this thread.
I'll let you have the Shadow Moon discussion with the rest, since you weirdly brought it up when I didn't even mention it.
You're confidently incorrect in all of your statements, but it is amusing to see you type them nevertheless.
Their absolute best is at best comparable to young post-Crisis Superman [in terms of strength] and nowhere near the weakest Superman [in terms of speed].
