Originally posted by carver9
They never lifted it, it was already floating. Then he mentions Hulk not lifting the star when we see him on his knees in the beginning and by the time it was over, he was standing.
If he never lifted it, explain why when he was about to take unconcious Earth-5 Billy to the ship and said he was coming back for the book, he MIGHT(emphasis mine) need help to bring it to the ship?
Second last panel, last word bubble. Doesn't make sense that they would fail to lift it together and then he says he might need help instead of "We couldn't lift it so I'll need all your help."
Originally posted by JBL
I know. I just want to know where do Superman fans get their information on certain feats from when everyone see the same thing, yet they are the only ones getting it wrong. Well, you know they have to protect Superman. So Hulks obvious feats will get ignored and dismissed while Superman gets credit for something he didn't do.
We got that he lifted it from the book you lobotomized loser. 😆
Originally posted by Delta1938
If he never lifted it, explain why when he was about to take unconcious Earth-5 Billy to the ship and said he was coming back for the book, he MIGHT(emphasis mine) need help to bring it to the ship?Second last panel, last word bubble. Doesn't make sense that they would fail to lift it together and then he says he might need help instead of "We couldn't lift it so I'll need all your help."
We got that he lifted it from the book you lobotomized loser. 😆
He said he may need ALL of their help or probably not ALL of them. Probably 3, 4, maybe 2 but if someone have infinite strength and recently just lifted infinity, he shouldn't need help and that statement should not have been said.
Originally posted by carver9
He said he may need ALL of their help or probably not ALL of them. Probably 3, 4, maybe 2 but if someone have infinite strength and recently just lifted infinity, he shouldn't need help and that statement should not have been said.
The mental gymnastics failed and you face planted. They lifted it, and clearly it was difficult enough he thought he could do it on his own but wasn't sure. GG, your consolation prize is in the mail.
And just wondering in the slight chance you have random temporary blindness instead of backing down, will you take up my Superman vs Wonder Woman BZ since you talk a big game about her? Or is it all false bravado?
Originally posted by Magnon
This is exactly why I used the descriptor "current" in that context; loop quantum gravity, M-theory, and similar attempts at quantum gravity are only hypotheses for the time being. They haven't been able to produce enough empirically testable predictions yet, so there's no evidence of any of them being a valid description of our universe. In fact, many classes (though not all ofc) of such quantum gravity theories are inconsistent with the fact that no proton decay or supersymmetric partners have been observed in the particle physics experiments.
But even using the most relevant model that you purpose--the generic model for quantum field theory in curved spacetime--your idea doesn't make sense because your function isn't definable on the manifold in the first place. So you still have to appeal to some external topological space from where the pages can be mapped.
The worst part is that out of the three criticisms I directed at you this was the most lenient. Which begs the question: why didn't you address the other ones?
Originally posted by Magnon
There wouldn't be any particular need to try and explain the Book in terms of those hypothetical theories anyway, even if one of them happened to be an accepted model of reality of our universe. Plenty of comics characters such as Atom or Antman have miniaturized themselves to atomic and sub-atomic levels, and encountered stuff such as "billiard-ball-like atoms" or microverses or even some cyclical scales that loop back onto themselves. The small scales in comics just don't behave like our universe does. Heck, the fact that these ppl can shrink like that in the first place already severely violates our physics. The Book can too, it's comics.
Originally posted by Magnon
There's no need to assume that the pages in the book exist in the same order they were written.
Originally posted by Magnon
All the pages might not even have been written sequentially, but simultaneously. For example, the monkey could've written the chapter describing each universe (of the infinitely many) at the same time; the monkey was supernatural, after all.
Originally posted by Magnon
As I have explicitly shown, it is certainly possible for the Book to have countably infinite number of pages and yet have a well-defined final page in its final page slot. Even if the spatial x-coordinate does not resemble |R it is easy to modify my map to account for that, so my approach IS general. The map can be many-to-one, after all.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh I don't worry you'll take Carv's word. Rest assured of that, lol.
Even if you want to argue that the ending of the book changed (despite there being no allusions to it) it won't change the fact that they lifted the book before the change.
Then there's also the issue of the mass or weight, because nothing is said of these properties. We know it can't have infinite weight because Superman needed Captain Marvel's help to lift it, and like some have pointed out: half of infinity is still infinity.
Originally posted by Astner
I'm not sure why you're so excited. Even if you're correct on this point it's only one of the few counterarguments to the position of the book having infinite pages. The most problematic is Ultraman confirming that the book had a last chapter and a last page.Even if you want to argue that the ending of the book changed (despite there being no allusions to it) it won't change the fact that they lifted the book before the change.
Then there's also the issue of the mass or weight, because nothing is said of these properties. We know it can't have infinite weight because Superman needed Captain Marvel's help to lift it, and like some have pointed out: half of infinity is still infinity.
That's a big IF that I am correct. Better to wait until you have reread the comic. After all, as you say:
Originally posted by Astner
I'm more interested in being correct than winning debates.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's a big IF that I am correct.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Better to wait until you have reread the comic. After all, as you say:
It might not seem like I lot, but I have a couple of private projects that take priority. Which is why I only respond to these threads form work.