Thor [current] vs Thanos

Originally posted by carver9
And your argument is pretty dumb, H1. A cheap shot is a cheap shot. Kf your going to argue against it, then be consistent. I don't consider anything a cheap shot if the person is in a fight. He had enough time to turn his head due to Hulk speaking to him before the punch. The same can't be said in the 9 instances Superman punched Doomsday in the back. Like I said, Superman is known for it in most of his fights. Example...

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If we are looking at things like this as evidence of fights, we have a lot of exclusions we need to do (he even surprised attacked World Forger). You're just a troll, H1. This discussion is over.

Once again, I don't use ABC logic—never have. You must be confusing me with someone else. For instance, Superman knocking out the World Forger is irrelevant to me and a 0 feat. I focus on the physics of materials (planets, bullets, etc.) and logic, not on who has beaten whom.

Even if Hulk had defeated Thanos without a cheap shot or assistance, it wouldn't mean much. Why? Because Thanos has a range of abilities, including BFR, shields, TP, magic, and more. When characters don't fight at full capacity, the outcome doesn't hold much weight.

At best, we can say Hulk has the strength to stun Thanos from behind. It's a strength feat, and nothing more.

How did this Thor vs. Thanos thread turn into one about Superman?

Originally posted by ODG
How did this Thor vs. Thanos thread turn into one about Superman?

Carver tried to give Hulk a win against Thanos when it wasn't legit because of how he won.
Then he tried to box me in stating that Superman did similar things.
But he didn't know that I don't use ABC logic for Superman. I don't like ABC logic at all.

^ So how do you compare current Odinforce Thor's feats against Thanos then?

Originally posted by h1a8
Carver tried to give Hulk a win against Thanos when it wasn't legit because of how he won.
Then he tried to box me in stating that Superman did similar things.
But he didn't know that I don't use ABC logic for Superman. I don't like ABC logic at all.

It's more of a "tu quoque" fallacy, imo.

^ Reported for making me google "tu quoque" fallacy. sneer

Sorry for teaching you something. ahah

^ I'll be sure to use this new knowledge against you in the future at some point! belch

^ Wouldn't even be mad. 😂

Originally posted by batdude123
It's more of a "tu quoque" fallacy, imo.

But it's all moot anyways because arguing with h1 is itself a fallacy. I believe the Latin term is "beat your head against a brick wall" fallacy.

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Originally posted by ODG
^ So how do you compare current Odinforce Thor's feats against Thanos then?

King Thor was able to destroy Cap's shield, decapitate the Destroyer, and warp Wolverine's skeleton. I would place that above Thanos. I would also assume that current Odinforce Thor is at least equal to King Thor. But I could be wrong.

Originally posted by Smurph
eh, that's about pointing out that someone's personal actions contradict their stated positions. It isn't really fallacious to point out that someone's position on issue A contradicts their position on issue B. Lord knows people point that out to Carver every day.

But it's all moot anyways because arguing with h1 is itself a fallacy. I believe the Latin term is "beat your head against a brick wall" fallacy.

I informally said it was "more of" a tu quoque fallacy. Not claiming it's a strict example.

- "Hulk beat Thanos by punching him in the back."

- "Yeah, but Superman does that too!!!"

The response doesn't justify Hulk's victory being legitimate.

Originally posted by h1a8
I would never compare current Odinforce Thor to anyone extremely powerful because I don't know much about him or his non ABC logic feats.

King Thor was able to destroy Cap's shield, decapitate the Destroyer, and warp Wolverine's skeleton. I would place that above Thanos. I would also assume that current Odinforce Thor is at least equal to King Thor. But I could be wrong.

1) Dented Cap's shield.
2) Recreated the city of Asgard and kept it afloat perpetually.
3) Tanked a point-blank disintegration beam from the Destroyer that has on-panel killed normal Thor before.
4) Resurrected every Asgardian on Earth.
5) Killed Bor.

Ever since his most recent possession of the Odinforce & disregarding everything he did with the Power Cosmic:

6) Was the only non-symbiote/Unipower character who physically harmed Knull during the King in Black storyline. You saw what Knull did to Sentry.
7) Defeated the Dragon (Odinforce/Jormungand/Worldtree-empowered insane Donald Blake).
8) Although Marc Spector was simultaneously recovering from his madness, Odinforce Thor did beat the Phoenixforce out of him off-panel.
9) Completely contained the Mangog-corrupted, Motherstorm-possessed Mjolnir within an impenetrable Gaea-storm forcefield.
10) Went on to utterly destroy the the Mangog-corrupted, Motherstorm-possessed Mjolnir.
11) Used the Destroyer armor as a punching bag and dented it multiple times with his bare fists.
12) Caused critical damage to Stark's Celestial-powered Hulkbuster armor with a single shot.
13) One-shot Meridius, the future King in Black.
14) Not a pure power feat... but he's done weird esoteric stuff like locating someone by listening with storms all across the land.
15) Helped Old Man Phoenix, Echo Phoenix and Firehair Phoenix (who were all weakened) hold back an entire dead multiverse of energy.
16) BFR'ed Toranos who is a proper Elder God.
17) Near instantly repaired all the physical damage wrought upon New York City by Toranos with time/space powers (yes, Mjolnir's temporal powers have been restored).
18) Reversed the worthy enchantment of Mjolnir so it infected Toranos with worthiness.
19) Casually redirected Zeus' thunderbolts.
20) Tanked Zeus' skyfather power and absorbed it forcefully against Zeus' will.
21) Transmuted Zeus' skyfather power into a new Belt of Strength.

Originally posted by batdude123
I informally said it was "more of" a tu quoque fallacy. Not claiming it's a strict example.

- "Hulk beat Thanos by punching him in the back."

- "Yeah, but Superman does that too!!!"

The response doesn't justify Hulk's victory being legitimate.

Tu quoque is fallacious because an attack on the person is not an attack on the argument. It's just a specific kind of ad hominem. But Carver was just arguing double standards in how people size up feats. Not the same thing.

I'm not splitting hairs about strict examples. Fallacy categories are dumb internet jargon; logic either flows or it doesn't. It's just that the logic problem that "tu quoque" is short for, doesn't apply. If it did, it would be a fallacy every time somebody points out Carver's double standards.

^ Yes, well... I am edumacated enough to label your post as a "tu quoqumber" fallacy.

So shut up. excellent

Nahhhhh you love that pedantic bullshit

Originally posted by batdude123
I informally said it was "more of" a tu quoque fallacy. Not claiming it's a strict example.

- "Hulk beat Thanos by punching him in the back."

- "Yeah, but Superman does that too!!!"

The response doesn't justify Hulk's victory being legitimate.

My point wasn't to dismiss Superman wins on anyone, it was to point out how bias this forum is. Superman win against Doomsday is just as valid as Hulk win against Thanos imo. Both were in fights, you should be ready for anything when you're brawling. The fight isn't over until it's over.

Originally posted by carver9
My point wasn't to dismiss Superman wins on anyone, it was to point out how bias this forum is. Superman win against Doomsday is just as valid as Hulk win against Thanos imo. Both were in fights, you should be ready for anything when you're brawling. The fight isn't over until it's over.

Hulk won, he didn't cheat in some way, but it was because Thanos arrogantly turned his back on him after he snapped Hulk's neck and Hulk had help from Colleen with the mind stone at the end. In other words, Thanos didn't fight at his best, didn't fight smart and Hulk had some help, so this fight is not a conclusive victory for Hulk.