Originally posted by Smurph
That's just an argument by analogy. "The feat would be accepted for Superman, it should be accepted for Hulk." That's not a tu quoque thing. Doesn't mean the analogy holds up under scrutiny but every thread has arguments over double standards.H1 said he would just throw Superman under the bus if the analogy held water. That's one answer.
Meh, agree to disagree. Calling out his hypocrisy isn't an effective counter to his point about it not being a fair fight.
Originally posted by carver9
I just find it funny that people praised this fight for years and still do, but never once argued against Doomsday backstabbing Darkseid. You all are bias AF. A bunch of DC trolls of the highest order....
Character A defeating Character B in a comic doesn't hold much weight if the losing character was at a disadvantage or wasn't fighting at full capacity. However, we can still use aspects of the battle as evidence to support our arguments. For instance, the scan you shared demonstrates Doomsday's speed and strength, especially his ability to significantly injure Darkseid.
Would Hunter/Prey Doomsday defeat that particular avatar of Darkseid in a forum fight under full capacity rules? Darkseid has options like BFR, shields, and telekinesis, while Doomsday has incredible speed. That's where the real debate begins.
It's flawed to simply say, 'Doomsday beat Darkseid in the comic, so he can beat him in a forum fight.'
Originally posted by h1a8
Character A defeating Character B in a comic doesn't hold much weight if the losing character was at a disadvantage or wasn't fighting at full capacity. However, we can still use aspects of the battle as evidence to support our arguments. For instance, the scan you shared demonstrates Doomsday's speed and strength, especially his ability to significantly injure Darkseid.Would Hunter/Prey Doomsday defeat that particular avatar of Darkseid in a forum fight under full capacity rules? Darkseid has options like BFR, shields, and telekinesis, while Doomsday has incredible speed. That's where the real debate begins.
It's flawed to simply say, 'Doomsday beat Darkseid in the comic, so he can beat him in a forum fight.'
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Originally posted by carver9
He had to have been hurt BADLY, to see a person with their blade out approaching him and not being able to do anything.Yes, lol, he would've healed. He withstood everything Thanos threw at him, and healed his neck injury nigh instantly. Why wouldn't he have been able to defend himself l?
Maybe we looked at a completely different fight. Thanos didn't overpower Hulk, at all. Every punch Hulk hit Thanos with drew blood.
It's clean imo.
Or maybe he didn't know she could stab him with the stone? Did you ever consider that?
No lol. How is he going to heal while his neck is broken and he's continuously getting pounded by someone in the same weight class as him? Healing factors aren't instant and they're not unlimited.
Yeah, I looked at the fight in the comic, the one where Thanos was pushing Hulk back and snapped his neck like a chicken's, you were looking at some scrbbles in your notebook.
Only you could think that a fight in which one guy hits another in the back and a third person jumps in is a clean fight.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Or maybe he didn't know she could stab him with the stone? Did you ever consider that?No lol. How is he going to heal while his neck is broken and he's continuously getting pounded by someone in the same weight class as him? Healing factors aren't instant and they're not unlimited.
Yeah, I looked at the fight in the comic, the one where Thanos was pushing Hulk back and snapped his neck like a chicken's, you were looking at some scrbbles in your notebook.
Only you could think that a fight in which one guy hits another in the back and a third person jumps in is a clean fight.
Lol, you're just making excuses. In the beginning of the comic, Thanos slapped her some distance for threatening her. Why not do the same when she is literally walking up to him with a glowing blade.
Yes. He's literally able to move and snap his neck back in place. Why can't he fight back? If hes able to take action while it's snapped, why can't he throw a punch while his neck is broken?
Yes, he pushed a smiling Hulk back but when Hulk got pissed, he jacked Thanos TF up.
It's 100% fair just like every other fight that has similar consequences.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol, you're just making excuses. In the beginning of the comic, Thanos slapped her some distance for threatening her. Why not do the same when she is literally walking up to him with a glowing blade.Yes. He's literally able to move and snap his neck back in place. Why can't he fight back? If hes able to take action while it's snapped, why can't he throw a punch while his neck is broken?
Yes, he pushed a smiling Hulk back but when Hulk got pissed, he jacked Thanos TF up.
It's 100% fair just like every other fight that has similar consequences.
The comic explicitly showed us that Thanos can snap her blade with a finger. The mind stone-infused blade? Not so much.
Look, Carver, I know you've never been in a fight, but you could at least watch some MMA or something. You're not fighting back with a broken neck while someone as strong as you is pounding you into the dirt.
You made me go back and re-read this crappy comic, and no, Hulk was not smiling as he was getting pushed back. He was visibly enraged because Thanos called him puny, which, by the way, wasn't enough to stop Thanos from breaking his neck. Hulk only gained the upper hand when Thanos turned his back to him, and that's fine—I don't blame Hulk for being pragmatic—but it wasn't a clean fight.
Lol. Hitting someone while they aren't looking and getting an assist from another person is only 100% fair in pro-wrestling. In actual fighting, it's called a handicap.
Incidentally, I saw this scan the other day, and I thought of you because you keep bringing up Superman and other characters hitting opponents from behind to justify your arguments. So here it is, straight from Hulk's own mouth: Hulk fights like a little girl.
Just because he snapped it doesn't mean he shouldn't defend against it, lol. Like I said before, he attacked her the first time and couldn't do sh** the second time. He even mentioned her having the stone before she attacked.
Why are you using real world logic to a comic book? Hulk was literally capable of moving with a snapped neck. No human in real life is doing sh** if their neck is snapped.
What should Hulk have done? Asked Thanos to turn around? No!!! It's a fight until it's done.
Did Thing win that fight?
Originally posted by carver9
Just because he snapped it doesn't mean he shouldn't defend against it, lol. Like I said before, he attacked her the first time and couldn't do sh** the second time. He even mentioned her having the stone before she attacked.Why are you using real world logic to a comic book? Hulk was literally capable of moving with a snapped neck. No human in real life is doing sh** if their neck is snapped.
What should Hulk have done? Asked Thanos to turn around? No!!! It's a fight until it's done.
Did Thing win that fight?
She wasn't using the Mind Stone the first time, and I already agreed that Thanos was hurt from that cheap shot.
Yeah, he was able to move because his healing factor kicked in after Thanos stopped attacking. It would have been a different story if Thanos had kept attacking and overwhelmed his healing factor instead of going after the Mind Stone.
I already said Hulk's actions make sense, but that fight doesn't represent what would happen if Thanos fought at his full potential.
What difference does it make? What's important here is that Hulk himself acknowledges attacking someone from behind is cheap.
Originally posted by Psychotron
She wasn't using the Mind Stone the first time, and I already agreed that Thanos was hurt from that cheap shot.Yeah, he was able to move because his healing factor kicked in after Thanos stopped attacking. It would have been a different story if Thanos had kept attacking and overwhelmed his healing factor instead of going after the Mind Stone.
I already said Hulk's actions make sense, but that fight doesn't represent what would happen if Thanos fought at his full potential.
What difference does it make? What's important here is that Hulk himself acknowledges attacking someone from behind is cheap.
Good point! Carv is basically arguing that Hulk could have kept pounding on Thanos. But Thanos could have done the same thing to Hulk. Instead, Thanos turning his back and going after the mindstone definitely adds to the fight being inconclusive.
Originally posted by h1a8
Good point! Carv is basically arguing that Hulk could have kept pounding on Thanos. But Thanos could have done the same thing to Hulk. Instead, Thanos turning his back and going after the mindstone definitely adds to the fight being inconclusive.
Yes, the fight dynamic changed because Thanos was more interested in the mind stone. He wasn't interested in fighting the Hulk at all. The fight was written to give the Hulk a win and give Thanos an out for losing. Basically, it was a waste of time for both characters.
Like....if Hulk was fighting Luke Cage (as an example) he would just....best the poop out of Luke. No extenuating factors, just pure and simple physical beat down.
The fact that Hulk needed a scene where Thanks turns his back and walks away from the Hulk, just so the Hulk could then win, speaks volumes.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Like....if Hulk was fighting Luke Cage (as an example) he would just....best the poop out of Luke. No extenuating factors, just pure and simple physical beat down.
Like in Axis? vin
Those blaxploitation characters are ridiculously overpowered; Cage would solo JLA and conquer the whole Asia, if he wanted to.
Where's my money, honey?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
ulk could then win.
Only thing that needs to be said. Hulk beat him with a punch that no other character have done. There's obviously some low showings (Squirrel girl) but straight up fights, no one has dropped Thanos like that.
I haven't seen a DC peer repeat anything like this, even with surprised attacks.
Originally posted by Psychotron
She wasn't using the Mind Stone the first time, and I already agreed that Thanos was hurt from that cheap shot.Yeah, he was able to move because his healing factor kicked in after Thanos stopped attacking. It would have been a different story if Thanos had kept attacking and overwhelmed his healing factor instead of going after the Mind Stone.
I already said Hulk's actions make sense, but that fight doesn't represent what would happen if Thanos fought at his full potential.
What difference does it make? What's important here is that Hulk himself acknowledges attacking someone from behind is cheap.
When did she use the mind stone? When she was walking up to Thanos to stab him?
What would've happened that was different? Thanos punches, kicks and blasts did nothing to the Hulk. Even his telepathy was nothing. Hulk was still able to move comfortably with a broken neck.
It does represent how a fight would go. We literally saw it on panel. Thanos gets crushed.
That's dumb Hulk. I'm asking you if he won the fight when he was backstabbed. You mentioned the fight, so answer the question. Did Thing win?