Abortion

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
which is utterly ridiculous.

exactly.

I havnt really been keeping up on the posts lately but if i remmeber righ the omega stated that a fetues is not a living being because it depends on another one to survive am i right? anyways so if a person suffers a disease leaving so weak that they must survive or life-support systems or artificial organs to live does it make it less of a human entity? or none at all?

i would have to say pro choice.

Originally posted by Predator 89
I havnt really been keeping up on the posts lately but if i remmeber righ the omega stated that a fetues is not a living being because it depends on another one to survive am i right? anyways so if a person suffers a disease leaving so weak that they must survive or life-support systems or artificial organs to live does it make it less of a human entity? or none at all?

Very good point! 🙂

Predator> That isn't the ONLY reason we are pro-choice... I have given a whole lot of reasons, none of which (except the squid) you seem to have picked up on.

Abortion is killing babies in my opinion, whether you think the fetus is alive or not, EVERYONE deserves life, and that is what the unborn baby will become, a human being.

So I'll ask you the same question: do you eat meat? If so, what is your justification for supporting the deaths of self-conscious, receptive, reasonably intelligent animals, but being opposed to destroying a tiny, mindless entity?

Originally posted by Darth Revan
So I'll ask you the same question: do you eat meat? If so, what is your justification for supporting the deaths of self-conscious, receptive, reasonably intelligent animals, but being opposed to destroying a tiny, mindless entity?

because then the tiny mindless entity wo't grow up, and I can't scare it at a young age or gross it out. What's the fun in that?

Just kidding. DO not take this post seriously.

Originally posted by Darth Revan
So I'll ask you the same question: do you eat meat? If so, what is your justification for supporting the deaths of self-conscious, receptive, reasonably intelligent animals, but being opposed to destroying a tiny, mindless entity?

Because a human's life has a purpose, not just to be raised and slaughtered like cattle.

We were made to eat meat, there a food chain there, and how does that justify killing an innocent baby?

Originally posted by ska57
Because a human's life has a purpose, not just to be raised and slaughtered like cattle.

And what, pray tell, makes you think humans have any more "purpose" than a cow? If all the other animals are only here to serve/feed us, then why are there things like sand dollars, which neither are eaten by humans, nor are harmful to us?

Truth, this, that humans were meant to eat meat... How does that justify killing an innocent lion as a hunting trophy? We kill plenty of things that we don't eat. 🙄

not everyone kills animals as a prize, so you have no justifable argument there. You are avoiding the fact that we're talking about aborting human life, there is no comparrison to human life over animals. i do not understand your argument there at all, it make no sense to me.

*sigh*

If we're going to go around degrading some forms of life, any mammal, bird, reptile, or fish is more intelligent, self-conscious, and receptive than a speck of a developing human fetus. I know not everyone kills animals as a prize, but if it upsets you so much to destroy something that has no sense of consciousness, why aren't you out there protesting the killing of beavers for fur or something? 🙄

"there is no comparrison to human life over animals"

Other then the fact that humans ARE animals.

Originally posted by Darth Revan
And what, pray tell, makes you think humans have any more "purpose" than a cow? If all the other animals are only here to serve/feed us, then why are there things like sand dollars, which neither are eaten by humans, nor are harmful to us?

Truth, this, that humans were meant to eat meat... How does that justify killing an innocent lion as a hunting trophy? We kill plenty of things that we don't eat. 🙄

Well considering that a plant is a living being ... with flesh like anyother being.... they have a purpose to be eaten?

One small point: For most people, it feels less wrong to kill a plant, compared to how it feels to kill an animal. This is because plants do not feel pain in a conventional manner. Undeveloped Fetuses also do not feel pain. So, in the end, the only argument remaining is that the fetus had "potential" for something more. However, potential works both ways; good or bad. The child could grow up to be the next Einstein, the next Hitler, or something neutral. Therefore, each side negates the other. Potential is irrelevant. What's left now?

Originally posted by darth_surgent
One small point: For most people, it feels less wrong to kill a plant, compared to how it feels to kill an animal. This is because plants do not feel pain in a conventional manner. Undeveloped Fetuses also do not feel pain. So, in the end, the only argument remaining is that the fetus had "potential" for something more. However, potential works both ways; good or bad. The child could grow up to be the next Einstein, the next Hitler, or something neutral. Therefore, each side negates the other. Potential is irrelevant. What's left now?

Our Conscience... the most important... you want to ask potential question the far more possible outcome is average... 😄 are you willing to sacrifice average life? Good and Bad cancel each other to neutral therefore average potential... 😄

I didn't mean to say that average life is not important. I'm sorry if that's what I sounded like I was saying. My point comes from the fact that a common Pro-Life argument is: "What if the baby you aborted was destined to save the world?" And that is the notion that I have a problem with.

I agree, that argument is so full of holes.

First of all, if that baby was DESTINED for anything, it would not have been aborted. Destiny will happen no matter what.

On the other hand, what if that baby was going to become the next hitler and cause world war 3, you just saved the world.

Originally posted by BackFire
I agree, that argument is so full of holes.

First of all, if that baby was DESTINED for anything, it would not have been aborted. Destiny will happen no matter what.

On the other hand, what if that baby was going to become the next hitler and cause world war 3, you just saved the world.

😐 by tht train of thinking it is destine therefore for WW3 to occur... and that person was ment to start it... 🙂