Abortion

^ and that's the thing!!!!!!! ✅

I believe it is a woman's choice

Originally posted by AdventChild
alright, i agree you were right but it still doesn't change my opinion wheather or not abortion should be allowed...i still don't believe in it and by all means shouldn't be allowed....a group of cells will be come a human being once it exits....the KEY word is............WILL............so i'm pro-life all the way...

Stop saying what it WILL become. It's cells, and without those cells being given the time to BECOME something, they will never BE that something.

So stop talking nonsense.

It shouldn't be allowed? Why the hell does it bother you? Don't like it, don't have one. Why should your beliefs be enforced on everyone else? Plus the fact that you and many others in this thread, including Clovie, are wrong. It's cells, it's not a baby, nor will it become one. It's not a baby till it exists. Done. Finished. Let's move on. You should have understood this ages ago.

Originally posted by botankus
Bottom line is, if you’re not mature enough to handle any possible consequences such as STD’s and pregnancy, then do yourself a favor and don’t have sex in the first place. Reasoning such as, “I should be able to have sex ‘cuz I wanna!” is ridiculous.

You're claiming that people shouldn't have sex, protected or not, incase they're not prepared to deal with unplanned circumstances that they didn't intend to get into?

I'm sorry, but that's a load of deluded garbage.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You're claiming that people shouldn't have sex, protected or not, incase they're not prepared to deal with unplanned circumstances that they didn't intend to get into?

I'm sorry, but that's a load of deluded garbage.

-AC

I'm claiming exactly what I wrote. If you can't handle any potential consequences in life - sex or not - then don't f***in' do it. I didn't say don't do it at all b/c you'll get pregnant or whatever. I hate having to say things twice.

Originally posted by AdventChild
alright, i agree you were right but it still doesn't change my opinion wheather or not abortion should be allowed...i still don't believe in it and by all means shouldn't be allowed....a group of cells will be come a human being once it exits....the KEY word is............WILL............so i'm pro-life all the way...

If it's a matter of living cells, then it's like cutting a blade of grass (I've said this numerous times thus far). And since it will become a baby, then don't have an abortion, let others have an abortion and sit at home, and pray that god will smite their soul for the terrible evil they have done.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Stop saying what it WILL become. It's cells, and without those cells being given the time to BECOME something, they will never BE that something.

So stop talking nonsense.

It shouldn't be allowed? Why the hell does it bother you? Don't like it, don't have one. Why should your beliefs be enforced on everyone else? Plus the fact that you and many others in this thread, including Clovie, are wrong. It's cells, it's not a baby, nor will it become one. It's not a baby till it exists. Done. Finished. Let's move on. You should have understood this ages ago.

Originally posted by botankus
I'm claiming exactly what I wrote. If you can't handle any potential consequences in life - sex or not - then don't f***in' do it. I didn't say don't do it at all b/c you'll get pregnant or whatever. I hate having to say things twice.

Actually, by using condoms/birth control, you're still having sex, but you're obliterating the chances of such consequences occuring.

Originally posted by alcoholicpoet
Actually, by using condoms/birth control, you're still having sex, but you're obliterating the chances of such consequences occuring.

Condoms are not 100%.

Going by your theory, everyone who has an abortion because they f***ed up and had unprotected sex is just an idiot.

That falls under the "I was only going to drink beer for a few hours but I didn't plan on getting drunk" department.

Originally posted by botankus
Condoms are not 100%.

Going by your theory, everyone who has an abortion because they f***ed up and had unprotected sex is just an idiot.

That falls under the "I was only going to drink beer for a few hours but I didn't plan on getting drunk" department.

Put on two condoms

No, I never said that, I was merely assesing your contradiction of overall sex, protected and otherwise.

Originally posted by botankus
I'm claiming exactly what I wrote. If you can't handle any potential consequences in life - sex or not - then don't f***in' do it. I didn't say don't do it at all b/c you'll get pregnant or whatever. I hate having to say things twice.

You didn't have to say it twice, it was bullshit the first and second time.

You just contradicted yourself. You say that if you can't handle any potential (sexual, in this case) consequences then don't do the act. In this case, sex. Then you said, "I didn't say don't do it at all b/c you'll get pregnant or whatever."

Originally posted by Clovie
Why can't you understand that you will never make me think your way?
For me it is a future child. finished.

Why do you acknowledge that you are factually wrong yet continue the belief? It's like trying to claim the moon is bright orange because you believe it to be. It's not, we all know it's not, you know it's not. Provable.

Same as this cells business. It's not a future anything. A seed isn't a future tree unless it's allowed to grow. A group of cells aren't a human or a baby until they are birthed, fact.

You believing it, fine with me. But you are factually wrong. Not trying to change your mind, but you are factually wrong, scientifically wrong.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why do you acknowledge that you are factually wrong yet continue the belief? It's like trying to claim the moon is bright orange because you believe it to be. It's not, we all know it's not, you know it's not. Provable.

Same as this cells business. It's not a future anything. A seed isn't a future tree unless it's allowed to grow. A group of cells aren't a human or a baby until they are birthed, fact.

You believing it, fine with me. But you are factually wrong. Not trying to change your mind, but you are factually wrong, scientifically wrong.

-AC

But it is not a seed. it is a 'seed' (can't find right word 🙁) that has been already placed on the good ground and started to raising. (if you have to use botanical metaphories)

and you can't survive the fact of me living in the fake in your opinion belief?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You didn't have to say it twice, it was bullshit the first and second time.

*Yawn*
I guess now I have to analyze the “smackdown” I just got from the Fab Fifteen.

Based on your first misinterpreted response, which was:

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You're claiming that people shouldn't have sex, protected or not, incase they're not prepared to deal with unplanned circumstances that they didn't intend to get into?
-AC

Originally posted by botankus
Reasoning such as, “I should be able to have sex ‘cuz I wanna!” is ridiculous.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You just contradicted yourself. You say that if you can't handle any potential (sexual, in this case) consequences then don't do the act. In this case, sex. Then you said, "I didn't say don't do it at all b/c you'll get pregnant or whatever."

Wow: I contradicted myself when I was saying that I didn’t say what in fact I did not even say???? Please do explain.

Good luck with the class and try not to do anything that might have a negative consequence, including speaking.

Originally posted by alcoholicpoet
Put on two condoms

No, I never said that, I was merely assesing your contradiction of overall sex, protected and otherwise.

Good Lord, you can have sex if you want to! In fact, go do it right now!
Do it all night! Put on 50 condoms!

Just stay away from me while you're doing it. 😉

Originally posted by botankus
Oh, I forgot. This guy doesn’t quit. I have my own theories about this guy anyway. PVS would probably appreciate this. I believe it’s all from the same psychology class as Jackie Malfoy. See, “Jackie Malfoy” is the grad student teacher in Internet Psychology, and “Alpha Centauri” is a group of about 15 freshman entry-level students chosen to complete this study. There is one scribe to keep the language consistent. A good portion of the grade has a lot to do with Reckless Persistance.

You make it sound as if I'm actually fighting a war. "This guy doesn't quit." Stop being so overdramatic.

I see what you tried to do, I do, and I appreciate that. It was funny. Pointless, but funny. Now, instead of writing a paragraph of irrelevance to me, let's move on.

Originally posted by botankus
*Yawn*

I guess now I have to analyze the “smackdown” I just got from the Fab Fifteen.

Based on your first misinterpreted response, which was:

you must have overlooked the fact I already stated that:

Of course, if you're perfectly fine with, "Sex, abortion, sex, abortion, etc...." then I guess I'm wrong so be my guest.

If we actually think about what we're typing, it saves confusion doesn't it? That and you did actually contradict yourself. Others noticed, it wasn't just me. Either way, it's now cleared.

Originally posted by botankus
Wow: I contradicted myself when I was saying that I didn’t say what in fact I did not even say???? Please do explain.

You're getting so baffled. You made a claim, then another claim directly countering the first one. As I said, you have now cleared it up. So it's good buddy 😄.

Originally posted by botankus
Good luck with the class and try not to do anything that might have a negative consequence, including speaking.

What clas....oh wait.....wait a minute. Hahahaha.

See what you did there 😉. Why you, you little tyke. Hahaha.

Gotta love it when people actually get annoyed to the point of making comments to me rather than what I'm saying. Is rather comical.

-AC

Gotta love it when people actually get annoyed to the point of making comments to me rather than what I'm saying. Is rather comical.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Stop saying what it WILL become. It's cells, and without those cells being given the time to BECOME something, they will never BE that something.

So stop talking nonsense.

It shouldn't be allowed? Why the hell does it bother you? Don't like it, don't have one. Why should your beliefs be enforced on everyone else? Plus the fact that you and many others in this thread, including Clovie, are wrong. It's cells, it's not a baby, nor will it become one. It's not a baby till it exists. Done. Finished. Let's move on. You should have understood this ages ago.

You're claiming that people shouldn't have sex, protected or not, incase they're not prepared to deal with unplanned circumstances that they didn't intend to get into?

I'm sorry, but that's a load of deluded garbage.

-AC

I thought the dead only came out at night..... 😂

I don't know how your mouth can work in your conditions......OH.....now I know, your speaking out your....................................

Originally posted by FeceMan
Pot, meet kettle. I hear he's black.

All people ever do when I ask for examples or proof that I've done what I claim not to have done, is show me things that they've misintepreted. This is 99% chance of being one of those cases. I don't dedicate whole and multiple chunks of my posts to people personally unless it's with reason, like in reply to someone (like now), would be stupid. Either way....

I've met him before, didn't go down too well. Things got a bit steamed.

Originally posted by debbiejo
I thought the dead only came out at night.....

I don't know how your mouth can work in your conditions......OH.....now I know, your speaking out your....................................

Hahaha, too many funny posters here. I like you all though.

Overlooking the facts that:

A) I'm not using my mouth, I'm typing

and

B) You've been talking/typing out of that place for most (aka All) of this thread, I suggest that if you have nothing to contribute further to this thread that I haven't already wiped out, besides pointless remarks toward me out of bitter defeat, I suggest you don't participate.

Oh and feel free to you know, come up with a new joke any time soon. That one nearly gave me dust allergies due to it's age.

Now if everyone is quite done and possess the ability to get over the fact that they got pushed out of this one sided debate, we can move on with the topic, can't we?

-AC

Originally posted by Clovie
nice theory.
but:
the child inside a woman's womb is not some violnist 😑
and a child is a part of her. it has her DNA and stuff...so it is not some random stranger.
also up to my knowledge being pregnant doesn't equal spending rest of your life in bed 😑

summing up:
it is logicaly correct. but proves nothing

The relationship of you to the living thing plugged into against your will is irrelevant; the argument is logically equivocal.

Remember, all persons have a right to life, and violinists are persons. Granted, you have a right to decide what happens in and to your body, but a person's right to life outweighs your right to decide what happens in and to your body. So you cannot be unplugged from him. But never mind, it's only for nine months.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Stop saying what it WILL become. It's cells, and without those cells being given the time to BECOME something, they will never BE that something.

So stop talking nonsense.

It shouldn't be allowed? Why the hell does it bother you? Don't like it, don't have one. Why should your beliefs be enforced on everyone else? Plus the fact that you and many others in this thread, including Clovie, are wrong. It's cells, it's not a baby, nor will it become one. It's not a baby till it exists. Done. Finished. Let's move on. You should have understood this ages ago.

-AC

hey buddy i like you and everything but, we disagree.....well if it isn't a baby then what is it....? at 8 months what is it? at 4 months what is it? at 8.343 monts what is it? at 6 months what is it?.....seriously AC i really do like you alot!Alot! but we don't don't agree on some things...this being one of them...I agree that my belief's shouldn't have anysay in others choices but it's only my opinion and i have my reasons for believing what i do...I'm sure if you and ur g.f had a baby and after 5 1/2 months she decided she wanted to have an abortion you wouldn't want to go through with it would you?....

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The relationship of you to the living thing plugged into against your will is irrelevant; the argument is logically equivocal.

Remember, all persons have a right to life, and violinists are persons. Granted, you have a right to decide what happens in and to your body, but a person's right to life outweighs your right to decide what happens in and to your body. So you cannot be unplugged from him. But never mind, it's only for nine months.

And I do think, that though it is unfair for the person to be hooked to the violinist, it is what he or she should do. If such a scenario were to ever happen, on which I would place a large wager than it would not.