Abortion

So basically you're saying someone should throw away their morals and side with the other side, just because having a split decision isn't good?

Well what world would be better? A world where abortion laws are decided by people who have nothing to do with anyone else, or a world where abortions are legal across the board regardless of what you think of them? Exactly.

Abortions, regardless of if you agree with them or not, should be legal. You can't say "That shouldn't be allowed!" "Why?" "I do not agree with her reasons." "So?" "....W-what do you mean so? I DON'T AGREE!!!" "So? Then don't have one."

-AC

Originally posted by Makedde
So you have no problem with VIABLE children being killed by abortion, knowing that those children could live if born, but won't because their mother wants the child dead?

You sicken me. I respect the views of pro choicers, but I have never come across someone like you.

They're not children until they're living in this world outside of the womb, first off.

Second, yeah...exactly. If the mother wants the child dead, it's her child. F*ck all to do with me, you or anyone else. She can do what she wants with it. The hypocritical irony is, you are for euthanasia. You are PRO-putting someone out of their misery if they want it, but you're not against a woman aborting a foetus because she doesn't want it. I hope you appreciate that this invalidates your comments. You are FOR the killing of someone who's quality of life is bad, but you aren't for abortion, which could very well prevent bad quality of life as a result of an unwanted child. Hahaha, funny.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
They're not children until they're living in this world outside of the womb, first off.

Second, yeah...exactly. If the mother wants the child dead, it's her child. F*ck all to do with me, you or anyone else. She can do what she wants with it.

-AC

Well, a BORN child is viable, so I can go and kill a BORN infant and get away with it.

It's baby as soon as it is viable.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So basically you're saying someone should throw away their morals and side with the other side, just because having a split decision isn't good?

Well what world would be better? A world where abortion laws are decided by people who have nothing to do with anyone else, or a world where abortions are legal across the board regardless of what you think of them? Exactly.

Abortions, regardless of if you agree with them or not, should be legal. You can't say "That shouldn't be allowed!" "Why?" "I do not agree with her reasons." "So?" "....W-what do you mean so? I DON'T AGREE!!!" "So? Then don't have one."

-AC

I think both side (at the extremes) are wrong. Did you read my post about my cat? That is how I feel. I am bothered by what you say because it is too close to, if I murder someone, it's my business.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So basically you're saying someone should throw away their morals and side with the other side, just because having a split decision isn't good?-AC

A comprimise would be good. Abortion should be harder to get, without preventing a woman from having one. Two sides have different arguements, I am sure the pro life side would want to come to some sort of argreement, but the pro choice side only care about being able to kill their unborn children, because all they care about is themselves and what they think is their right.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I think both side (at the extremes) are wrong. Did you read my post about my cat? That is how I feel. I am bothered by what you say because it is too close to, if I murder someone, it's my business.

Nothing like that.

Who's business is the abortion besides the mothers and technically, the father? The answer is no one's.

End of that debate.

-AC

No, not end of debate. What makes you think you can wonder in an already heated discussion and repeat ove and over how it's the mother's choice and then say end of debate?

Time to come back down to earth where not everybody loves you my friend.

It's murder and shouldn't even exist.

is it comprehensible.....

Originally posted by Makedde
A comprimise would be good. Abortion should be harder to get, without preventing a woman from having one. Two sides have different arguements, I am sure the pro life side would want to come to some sort of argreement, but the pro choice side only care about being able to kill their unborn children, because all they care about is themselves and what they think is their right.

You are the one trying to push your beliefs in people's faces. "I don't think this is right, so therefore I hope it's harder for you to do what I disagree with. Despite you doing so being none of my business."

Pro-choice, by definition, is for whatever the WOMAN wants. If she wants to keep a baby, fine. If she wants it aborted, fine. Whatever she wants to do with her body is both fine with me and nothing to do with me. You need to realise that this includes you.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Nothing like that.

Who's business is the abortion besides the mothers and technically, the father? The answer is no one's.

End of that debate.

-AC

I agree with that. What I don't like to hear is "a fetus is not a human" and "abortions are good for you". Both of those statement are false.

Not at all, AC.

The argument from the pro-Life camp is not merely that they disapprove, it is that they think it is murder.

At which point, it is no longer a private matter, hence if the Pro-Lifers are right, it very much should be illegal, hence they are entitled to make their case for it to be so.

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
No, not end of debate. What makes you think you can wonder in an already heated discussion and repeat ove and over how it's the mother's choice and then say end of debate.

Because it is nobody's choice BUT THAT woman's and maaaaaybe the father's. Who else's? If my girl wanted an abortion, would you have a say in it? No. If ANY girl wanted an abortion, would you have a say in it? No.

End...of argument. It's none of your business what the woman does with her body. If you believe it is, YOU should come down to Earth.

-AC

I have mixed feelings about abortion.

On the personal side, I'd never be able to handle one. If I impregnated a girl I would not want to terminate the human growing inside of her. The only way I'd be able to support one is if she was facing some danger by giving birth. Otherwise, If she wanted one it would be completely up to her to go through with it, I'd have no part of it.

However, despite these feelings I'm not about to go and lecture people who disagree and would be able to go through with the act. That's entirely their business and I have more important things to worry about than what someone else does in that situation. Not my concern.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Not at all, AC.

The argument from the pro-Life camp is not merely that they disapprove, it is that they think it is murder.

At which point, it is no longer a private matter, hence if the Pro-Lifers are right, it very much should be illegal, hence they are entitled to make their case for it to be so.

If they don't want to pay for it, pay for something they disagree with then yes I completely understand that.

What I don't agree with, and which no one in their sane mind should agree with, is trying to make it harder for the woman just because they dislike it and disagree with it. Trying to weave their little decisive hand in to have a say on something that's none of their business.

If you don't wanna pay for abortions, fine. Don't try to make them harder just because you disagree with it. If they were made privately funded, then you have no more reason to *****, but people like Makedde and Powerfulone still would. Because some people, such as PowerfulOne are for abortion totally not existing.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Because it is nobody's choice BUT THAT woman's and maaaaaybe the father's. Who else's? If my girl wanted an abortion, would you have a say in it? No. If ANY girl wanted an abortion, would you have a say in it? No.

End...of argument. It's none of your business what the woman does with her body. If you believe it is, YOU should come down to Earth.

-AC

umm.....who cares?

I'm talking about, as well as many others, the fact that abortion is wrong.

Nobody is talking about the mother's this and that, but you.

I'm talking about abortion in itself, deal with it. And I've seen your mother comments bunches of times thus far. So please don't repeat it. It has done you no good and will continue to do you no good.

I done goooooodddd.

😎

is it comprehensible.....

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Because it is nobody's choice BUT THAT woman's and maaaaaybe the father's. Who else's? If my girl wanted an abortion, would you have a say in it? No. If ANY girl wanted an abortion, would you have a say in it? No.

End...of argument. It's none of your business what the woman does with her body. If you believe it is, YOU should come down to Earth.

-AC

So if your girlfriend was 8 months pregnant, and you had bought baby clothes gone to ultrasounds and you wanted the baby, you mean to say that you would have NO problem at all with your girlfriend having an abortion?

Originally posted by BackFire
I have mixed feelings about abortion.

On the personal side, I'd never be able to handle one. If I impregnated a girl I would not want to terminate the human growing inside of her. The only way I'd be able to support one is if she was facing some danger by giving birth. Otherwise, If she wanted one it would be completely up to her to go through with it, I'd have no part of it.

However, despite these feelings I'm not about to go and lecture people who disagree and would be able to go through with the act. That's entirely their business and I have more important things to worry about than what someone else does in that situation. Not my concern.

I agree with you 100%.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If they don't want to pay for it, pay for something they disagree with then yes I completely understand that.

What I don't agree with, and which no one in their sane mind should agree with, is trying to make it harder for the woman just because they dislike it and disagree with it. Trying to weave their little decisive hand in to have a say on something that's none of their business.

If you don't wanna pay for abortions, fine. Don't try to make them harder just because you disagree with it. If they were made privately funded, then you have no more reason to *****, but people like Makedde and Powerfulone still would. Because some people, such as PowerfulOne are for abortion totally not existing.

-AC

It's shameful..........on my part...........I'm ashamed.....do you get it....to even be associated with YOU.

Don't let it happen again ok?

IS IT COMPREHENSIBLE.....

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If they don't want to pay for it, pay for something they disagree with then yes I completely understand that.

What I don't agree with, and which no one in their sane mind should agree with, is trying to make it harder for the woman just because they dislike it and disagree with it. Trying to weave their little decisive hand in to have a say on something that's none of their business.

If you don't wanna pay for abortions, fine. Don't try to make them harder just because you disagree with it. If they were made privately funded, then you have no more reason to *****, but people like Makedde and Powerfulone still would. Because some people, such as PowerfulOne are for abortion totally not existing.

-AC

No, you are not understanding, AC.

They think it is murder

Murder, AC. As in, something that absolutely should and must be stopped. Do you tell an axeman hacking someone to death that it is his private right to do so if he so chooses? That "Hacking people death is not what I would choose to do, but you have a right to if you want?"

Of course not! Now, the view of the pro-Life camp is that termination is morally equivalent to that. Hence you cannot ask them to give up the fight on grounds of choice or privacy. It doesn't work.

Nor can you ask them to compromise. There is only one way for this debate to ever be settled, and that is for science to determine when a bunch of cells becomes an actual human life, with all the rights a Human has.

And it can't. It can guess but science has no clear answer. And so the debate will continue.

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
umm.....who cares?

Welcome to the abortion thread in which you are replying to me. Answering your question: You.

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
I'm talking about, as well as many others, the fact that abortion is wrong.

That's not a fact, that's your opinion.

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
Nobody is talking about the mother's this and that, but you.

It's an abortion debate you cretin, of course I'm talking and thinking about a mother's rights. Nobody else seems to be, hence why this is such an issue.

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
I'm talking about abortion in itself, deal with it. And I've seen your mother comments bunches of times thus far. So please don't repeat it. It has done you no good and will continue to do you no good.

I done goooooodddd.

😎

is it comprehensible.....

Yeah? I've seen you swan into debates and getting locked out many times before because you have zero clue what you're talking about, please don't repeat it...oh, too late.

I know what you're talking about, but you believe abortion being wrong is a fact and that it should be completely stopped. This is a point of view that you cannot defend.

-AC

Originally posted by Ushgarak
No, you are not understanding, AC.

They think it is murder

Murder, AC. As in, something that absolutely should and must be stopped. Do you tell an axeman hacking someone to death that it is his private right to do so if he so chooses? That "Hacking people death is not what I would choose to do, but you have a right to if you want?"

Of course not! Now, the view of the pro-Life camp is that termination is morally equivalent to that. Hence you cannot ask them to give up the fight on grounds of choice or privacy. It doesn't work.

Nor can you ask them to compromise. There is only one way for this debate to ever be settled, and that is for science to determine when a bunch of cells becomes an actual human life, with all the rights a Human has.

And it can't. It can guess but science has no clear answer. And so the debate will continue.

is it comprehensible.....