Abortion

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Welcome to the abortion thread in which you are replying to me. Answering your question: You.

That's not a fact, that's your opinion.

It's an abortion debate you cretin, of course I'm talking and thinking about a mother's rights. Nobody else seems to be, hence why this is such an issue.

Yeah? I've seen you swan into debates and getting locked out many times before because you have zero clue what you're talking about, please don't repeat it...oh, too late.

I know what you're talking about, but you believe abortion being wrong is a fact and that it should be completely stopped. This is a point of view that you cannot defend.

-AC

STANDSTILL..............

is it comprehensible.....

Originally posted by Ushgarak
No, you are not understanding, AC.

They think it is murder

Murder, AC. As in, something that absolutely should and must be stopped. Do you tell an axeman hacking someone to death that it is his private right to do so if he so chooses? That "Hacking people death is not what I would choose to do, but you have a right to if you want?"

Of course not! Now, the view of the pro-Life camp is that termination is morally equivalent to that. Hence you cannot ask them to give up the fight on grounds of choice or privacy. It doesn't work.

Nor can you ask them to compromise. There is only one way for this debate to ever be settled, and that is for science to determine when a bunch of cells becomes an actual human life, with all the rights a Human has.

And it can't. It can guess but science has no clear answer. And so the debate will continue.

If Powerfulone is against it 100% for being "murder", whilst I disagree, I can accept that he's defending his beliefs fully.

In Makedde's case, someone who (while we're discussing life) supports the death penalty and disagrees with abortion because it's murder, there's no end to the hypocricy. You either believe murder and killing should be completely stopped, or you don't dip your toe in the water. If you value life as highly as these people are claiming they do, it makes absolutely no sense and holds no water, to claim that any situation is ok to kill. Life is life, everyone born has one. If it's ok to execute someone or something because they did something you disagree with, then you can no longer preach to be pro-life, can you? You're not pro-life. You're pro-life when I decide I'm in agreement.

This is why I disagree with Makedde and people like her.

-AC

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
and you believe the exact opposite, which is NOT a fact, which YOU cannot defend.

STANDSTILL..............

is it comprehensible.....

The only fact I'm claiming is that it's the woman's choice, which is 100% factually true. Do you deny this? No, end of that then.

You want it to be wiped out because you believe it to be murder, you are pro-life, right? Do you believe killing in ANY situation and at any age, is wrong?

-AC

(To AC)

Would you oppose the death penalty but support the actions of soldiers defending your homeland from invasion?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If Powerfulone is against it 100% for being "murder", whilst I disagree, I can accept that he's defending his beliefs fully.

In Makedde's case, someone who (while we're discussing life) supports the death penalty and disagrees with abortion because it's murder, there's no end to the hypocricy. You either believe murder and killing should be completely stopped, or you don't dip your toe in the water. If you value life as highly as these people are claiming they do, it makes absolutely no sense and holds no water, to claim that any situation is ok to kill. Life is life, everyone born has one. If it's ok to execute someone or something because they did something you disagree with, then you can no longer preach to be pro-life, can you? You're not pro-life. You're pro-life when I decide I'm in agreement.

This is why I disagree with Makedde and people like her.

-AC

You don't know what I'm all about, so stop trying to explain ME to people like you always do.

Thread after thread, tiring and tiring.

Wanna stop now?

ANNOYING.....

is it comprehensible.....

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
In Makedde's case, someone who (while we're discussing life) supports the death penalty and disagrees with abortion because it's murder, there's no end to the hypocricy. You either believe murder and killing should be completely stopped, or you don't dip your toe in the water.

You are pro choice, so you MUST support ALL abortion, no matter what, you MUST fully support the dealth penalty, no matter what reason, and you MUST FULLY support euthanasia, for whatever reason, correct?

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
there you go again SPEAKING FOR ME like a fool.
Im getting tired of it.

You don't know what I'm all about, so stop trying to explain ME to people like you always do.

Thread after thread, tiring and tiring.

Wanna stop now?

ANNOYING.....

is it comprehensible.....

Well you are a fool, and these kinds of rolling around on the floor tantrum posts prove it.

You come into debates and try nipping at my ankle like a Jack Russell terrier, you never explain yourself fully so I go by what you give me.

Either explain yourself or you have no right to complain about being misunderstood.

If abortion is proven to be murder, what will all the pro choice lot do then?

Abortion is murder isn't it AC?????????

Originally posted by Makedde
If abortion is proven to be murder, what will all the pro choice lot do then?

That won't happen, it's too subjective.

Originally posted by BackFire
That won't happen, it's too subjective.

Okay, but what if it can be proven that at a certain point in the unborn babies life, say it's found to be murder when they baby is viable, what will happen then?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Well you are a fool, and these kinds of rolling around on the floor tantrum posts prove it.

You come into debates and try nipping at my ankle like a Jack Russell terrier, you never explain yourself fully so I go by what you give me.

Either explain yourself or you have no right to complain about being misunderstood.

And you've used that statement once before. What else about you could be old and worn out?

I explained where I stood. For some reason, you believe I have this incitely power to go beyond simple explanation somehow into some other level not yet reached.

News Flash. I can't. I've explained.

Pay attention.

is it comprehensible.....

Originally posted by Makedde
Okay, but what if it can be proven that at a certain point in the unborn babies life, say it's found to be murder when they baby is viable, what will happen then?

That will also never happen.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
(To AC)

Would you oppose the death penalty but support the actions of soldiers defending your homeland from invasion?

The answer is yes, and here's why:

I oppose the death penalty because it's not necessary today. Killing because killing is wrong? Hmm, can't say I agree. Killing someone by strapping them to a metal chair and killing them with electricity or lethal injections..........because they've committed a barbaric crime? Nope, don't support that.

I'm not against the death penalty because a life will be lost, though. Which is the impression you seem to have. I'm against it because it's useless and hypocritical. If I WERE anti-death penalty because I love life, my answer of yes would be hypocritical, but it's not.

Soldiers, whilst I disagree with their actions, have a purpose and a reason for existing. In the event of a necessary war or battle, soldiers kill in defense. If someone personally attacked me, I'd kill in defense. The death penalty has no purpose.

-AC

Originally posted by Makedde
Okay, but what if it can be proven that at a certain point in the unborn babies life, say it's found to be murder when they baby is viable, what will happen then?

Nothing, because that probably will never happen.

Personally, I don't really like the thought of it. But, if it has to happen, it has to happen.

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
Umm.. I did explain myself.

And you've used that statement once before. What else about you could be old and worn out?

I explained where I stood. For some reason, you believe I have this incitely power to go beyond simple explanation somehow into some other level not yet reached.

News Flash. I can't. I've explained.

Pay attention.

is it comprehensible.....

Yeah, you explained that abortion is murder (to you) and that it should be completely stopped as a result.

Which is what I said you said, you replied with "There you go again, speakling for me."

Make up your mind.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yeah, you explained that abortion is murder (to you) and that it should be completely stopped as a result.

Which is what I said you said, you replied with "There you go again, speakling for me."

Make up your mind.

-AC

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The problem is that we DO prevent abortions on the basis that they are murder.

Non-emergency terminations are illegal after a given period of time in the pregnancy. Why? Not because it is too difficult, for sure. Chinese doctors happily abort 8-month year old babbies. Well, maybe not ALL of them happily, but they still do it, with a rather gruesome 'partial birth' aborion where the baby is semi-born, has its skull punctured and then has its brains hoovered out.

We can all agree that is wrong, but this is why Abortion is such a dangerous subject. We do not allow abortions after a given time period because we think that IS murder- that it would have developed by that point into a full human being.

But when IS that point? If you kill a child just after it is born, it is murder. obviously. If you killed it thirty seconds before it was born, still murder? Pretty much.

A day before? Yup. A week? Most likely.

A month? Two months? Six months? Six months and a day?

The times we have now for when it becomes illegal are completely arbitrary and have nothing to do with science, which is baffled as to how to accurately define a suitable point, or come up with some 'test of sentience' that determines when a foetus should be considered a human.

With science totally baffled, it is hard to criticise religious groups for thinking that the point of life is at exactly zero seconds after fertilisation. Frankly, it is as good a guess as any.

Some abortions- like in China- are DEFINITELY murder, and I worry that the vagueries of science mean that there is a lot of killing going on here.

Children are stll people no matter how small....Isn't that from Horton hears a who????????......They still count.