Abortion

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Oh this is too sweet.

So it's ok for someone to decide THEY want to die, and for you to carry that out, but it's NOT ok for a woman to make a decision that a life she created, should die?

How odd.

-AC

Err... what kind of freaky morality were YOU taught?

OBVIOUSLY the second is much worse. The woman can kill simply because she created it? That's hideous, AC. What the heck are you doing saying something like that? The baby had no choice in the matter, the situation is CLEARLY worse!

Originally posted by BackFire
Which is a problem the woman brought upon themselves by having sex in the first place. Someone who is dying of cancer didn't choose to get cancer, they had no control. This stupid woman who decided to have sex, while knowing the possible outcome,

walks away??

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Err... what kind of freaky morality were YOU taught?

OBVIOUSLY the second is much worse. The woman can kill simply because she created it? That's hideous, AC. What the heck are you doing saying something like that? The baby had no choice in the matter, the situation is CLEARLY worse!

HEAR HEAR!

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Euthansia has in theory, to use your words, a 'purpose'- to end suffering to those who desperately want it. Whether this is so or not is widely open to debate but those who are proponents of it are not trying to be senseless killers.

If abortion IS murder, then it can nevber be so morally justified. It is simple murder to suit the convenience of another; totally morally wrong by any reasonable system. The wellbeing of the woman- who after all, is an adult and can handle herself- absolutely does not override the wellbeing of the child, which is totally defenceless.

IF it is actually a living child, that is. Which no-one knows.

I'm not anti-euthanasia, I'm also for it. My point was how Makedde is saying it's ok to choose that YOU want to die, and then she would presumably carry it out if you say that, because she's pro-euthanasia.

Then she goes and says that it's not ok for a woman to make a decision that something SHE'S created, should die. You're either for it or you're against it.

If she's for euthanasia because she believes nobody should suffer, then cool. If someone would suffer as the result of abortion, she should then logically agree with the abortion, she doesn't. Unless it's rape, which is hypocritical and not always the case.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Oh this is too sweet.

So it's ok for someone to decide THEY want to die, and for you to carry that out, but it's NOT ok for a woman to make a decision that a life she created, should die?

How odd.

-AC

MY BODY MY CHOICE! I can use that arguement, too.

Originally posted by debbiejo
And the stupid man???????

walks away??

No, he risks having to pay child support if the child actually is born.

And I submit that that is one of the most hideous things I have ever heard anyone here say, AC.

By that logic, the woman could kill the baby AFTER it was born, simply because she created it. It's not even remotely like the euthanasia situation.

Your repetition of "You are either for it or you're against it" is gibberish- you are comparing completely unalike situations.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
...You're either for it or you're against it...

Wrong.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If she's for euthanasia because she believes nobody should suffer, then cool. If someone would suffer as the result of abortion, she should then logically agree with the abortion, she doesn't. Unless it's rape, which is hypocritical and not always the case.

-AC

I don't agree with abortion when the pregnancy could have been prevented. And yes, I support euthanasia because I don't like to see people made to suffer. I support abortion because I don't want to see a child live his/her first few minutes of life in pain before the child dies.

Originally posted by BackFire
No, he risks having to pay child support if the child actually is born.

And this is where it is unfair.

If the man wants the baby, the woman can kill it. The man has no choice in the matter.

If the man doesn't want the baby, and the woman does, the man ends up paying child support to a child he never wanted. It's all about what the woman wants!

Originally posted by debbiejo
And the stupid man?

theres no such thing debbie....😛

Originally posted by BackFire
Which is a problem the woman brought upon themselves by having sex in the first place. Someone who is dying of cancer didn't choose to get cancer, they had no control. This woman decided to have sex, while knowing the possible outcome, brought these consequences upon herself. If having a child will ruin the quality of your life, then grow a ****ing brain and don't have sex. It's not like - "oops, I accidentally had sex, I'm a victim now because I can't support the baby now."

And besides, if it's the quality of their own life that would be dampered, why abort it, why not just put it up for adoption after it's born?

Because the simple fact is, BF, that some people just don't want adoption, they want abortion and they have every right to make that choice.

I agree that abortions are going to be used by irresponsible idiots and if you have no desire to pay for those, or any abortion, then fine by me. That's no reason to make movements to eradicate the procedure is it? Just because you disagree with it.

I don't like the idea that there are idiots who buy knives to kill people, but people also buy knives for reasons I am fine with. Just like abortion.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Err... what kind of freaky morality were YOU taught?

OBVIOUSLY the second is much worse. The woman can kill simply because she created it? That's hideous, AC. What the heck are you doing saying something like that? The baby had no choice in the matter, the situation is CLEARLY worse!

The woman can have an ABORTION because it's her foetus. If you let the baby be born and then kill it, yes I agree that's a bit stupid.

If you create a foetus and decide that you want it aborted, then you have that right. It's yours, you've decided within the right timeframe and abortion is still an option.

It's her foetus, the baby is living off her and if it continues to do so, it will be born. She has every right to say "I don't want this" and end it.

-AC

Originally posted by Makedde
And this is where it is unfair.

If the man wants the baby, the woman can kill it. The man has no choice in the matter.

If the man doesn't want the baby, and the woman does, the man ends up paying child support to a child he never wanted. It's all about what the woman wants!

Yep. Both men and women should think long and hard before engaging in sex. And if they don't have the means to support a child, keep the ****ing pants on or be prepared to face the consequences.

Originally posted by BackFire
Yep. Both men and women should think long and hard before engaging in sex. And if they don't have the means to support a child, keep the ****ing pants on or be prepared to face the consequences.

I'd just prefer if they used contraception and didn't be so stupid about it. 😉

Because the simple fact is, BF, that some people just don't want adoption, they want abortion and they have every right to make that choice.

But why? What kind of selfish, twisted and arguably evil, thought process is this? Why not just put it up for adoption?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The woman can have an ABORTION because it's her foetus. If you let the baby be born and then kill it, yes I agree that's a bit stupid.
-AC

A bit stupid but not a crime, is that what you're saying there? 😆

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The woman can have an ABORTION because it's her foetus. If you let the baby be born and then kill it, yes I agree that's a bit stupid.

If you create a foetus and decide that you want it aborted, then you have that right. It's yours, you've decided within the right timeframe and abortion is still an option.

It's her foetus, the baby is living off her and if it continues to do so, it will be born. She has every right to say "I don't want this" and end it.

-AC

But Makedde thinks the foetus is just like the born baby, so there is NO contradiction in makedde's statements. Again- pro-life people think it is murder, so the woman's choice is irrelevant. It is not right to choose to commit murder just to benefit yourself.

You simply have to wrap your head around this point about it being murder and so the woman's choice is overridden by the right of any Human to be alive. That is the position of pro-life.

Originally posted by BackFire
But why? What kind of selfish, twisted and arguably evil, thought process is this? Why not just put it up for adoption?

One arguement against adoption is that there are too many kids up for adoption, or else it's because the woman doesn't want stretch marks.

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
theres no such thing debbie....😛

drunk<-----------

Originally posted by Makedde
I don't agree with abortion when the pregnancy could have been prevented. And yes, I support euthanasia because I don't like to see people made to suffer. I support abortion because I don't want to see a child live his/her first few minutes of life in pain before the child dies.

Oh bullshit.

I agree with you in some respect. If a girl acting like a ****, gets preganant...then gets it aborted, it's irresponsible use of an abortion. That's as far as it goes with me. Nothing to do with the foetus being a cute little baby or any of that sanctimonius horsecrap. It's irresponsible and idiotic, however, it's her choice. Idiotic uses of abortion WILL happen, but that doesn't mean we should stop everyone using them just because there are idiots does it?

You are against euthanasia because you're against suffering...let's play with this:

If a woman gets pregnant and wants an abortion because her life will be worse if the baby is born, and she doesn't want adoption, you believe she should have the baby so she can SUFFER the consequences.

Isn't that strange? Condoning suffering but promoting the prevention of suffering?

-AC