Abortion

Originally posted by BackFire
Well unless she's raped, who else would be at fault?

"Fault" by definition, her. I don't believe that everyone at fault for something has to be punished for it. Contraception can fail, but they still chose to have sex, so if you want to be anal, it's their fault then, right? No.

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
it is a big deal Einstein.

To you, clearly. Good contribution.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Only because you have the belief that stabbing a knife into a baby thirty seconds before it is born is not murder. That is truly a morally heinous position.

It's a gruesome act, it's not necessarily a malicious one.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Luckily, not only do all right thinking people agree with me, so does the law, and you would be convicted for Murder if you did that.

"Right" thinking people agree with you. Shucks, guess that makes me wrong then.

Luckily I don't plan to do it then isn't it?

Originally posted by Ushgarak
I am pretty sure most people with such evil views DO sleep comfortably. That does not make your advocacy if infant murder to suit your own convenience inside this thread any less wrong or shcoking- and that is what you have done.

Shocking is subjective, I don't give a crap what you find shocking or not. You're of no concern to me, really. As I would say and hope I am of none to you.

Evil is a point of view.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Alpha Centauri has, in this thread, outrught supported the murder of babies on the justification that it might be more convenient to someone's life. Hands up who agrees that's ok?

Resorting to the old "Majority opinion means factual"? I know that everyone in this thread will agree with you.

The fact that you can't prove me or my morals factually and undeniably wrong and it's clearly bothering you. So you're taking the high road of "I'll get as many people to call him evil and agree with me as I can", which is quite childish of you.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
A fair point, but my point was that agree or disagree...don't ban abortions just because of this whore you call stupid. I'm not so self-absorbed that I believe she should not abort the baby and have to suffer.

If you're going to be pro-life, care about the people who are already here, life is life is life. Regardless of the actions TAKEN by that life.

Exactly, BF. It will eventually become human, have a life...possibly find it's real mother, be traumatised by it. Mother is traumatised. Two lives possibled ruined because you dislike the prevention of one.

-AC

I have read several pages of your tripe, and I won't stand for it anymore.

If you screw someone, it might make a baby.

How dare you wonder if it could show up later and "inconvenience" you.
Keep your d*ck in your pants or your legs closed(female) if you don't want a baby.

If you go ahead with it, wether protected or not, you can get pregnant.

This is common knowledge.

I'm sick of people not taking responsibility for their mistakes. As Makedde said, after 6 months, it feels pain. So not only are you killing it, but hurting it while it dies.

Even before that, it's still alive. The uteral wall linning the vagina isn't made out of some MAGIC SKIN that all of a sudden brings the baby to life as it passes out of it.

The child is alive in the womb, just as in the outside world.

It has all the same organs, body functions, nervous systems, etc.... it's just in a different environment.

And I know that you can read but I will reiterate, the topic of the thread is: Poll: Abortion? not euthenasia, not capital punishment,etc.....

Please stay on topic.

Originally posted by BackFire
Again, I do care about these people, just no one is trying to KILL these people.

If a life can be prevented from being ruined by terminating a fetus, then I don't have a problem with that. But it better really threaten to really ruin the life of the mother. This "I don't want to get fat" or "i don't want my vagina to get loose" or "I don't want stretch marks" or "I don't want a baby" doesn't qualify and carries no valid logic or reasoning.

"It better really threaten to ruin the life of the mother."

Why? To get your approval? I'm sure she cares, BF.

Cyber Ninja and Powerfulone's obsessions with me aside, no Soleran, I never said it was a definite, I said it's a possibility. As everything turning out fine is a possibility, it's also possible that she may not want to take that chance and she has the right not to.

-AC

Originally posted by Ushgarak

Alpha Centauri has, in this thread, outright supported the murder of babies on the justification that it might be more convenient to someone's life. Hands up who agrees that's ok?

Not only in this thread but also in the one of "Should Parents need to be informed."

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"Fault" by definition, her. I don't believe that everyone at fault for something has to be punished for it. Contraception can fail, but they still chose to have sex, so if you want to be anal, it's their fault then, right? No.

To you, clearly. Good contribution.

It's a gruesome act, it's not necessarily a malicious one.

"Right" thinking people agree with you. Shucks, guess that makes me wrong then.

Luckily I don't plan to do it then isn't it?

Shocking is subjective, I don't give a crap what you find shocking or not. You're of no concern to me, really. As I would say and hope I am of none to you.

Evil is a point of view.

Resorting to the old "Majority opinion means factual"? I know that everyone in this thread will agree with you.

The fact that you can't prove me or my morals factually and undeniably wrong and it's clearly bothering you. So you're taking the high road of "I'll get as many people to call him evil and agree with me as I can", which is quite childish of you.

-AC

And you say time and time again. Nobody can prove YOU wrong.

WHO HAVE YOU PROVED WRONG?

And as it is YOU my dear sir who continues to bring me up in their posts, it is YOU my dear sir who seems to be some kind of awful obsessed over me.

is it comprehensible.....

"Fault" by definition, her. I don't believe that everyone at fault for something has to be punished for it. Contraception can fail, but they still chose to have sex, so if you want to be anal, it's their fault then, right? No.

Yes! Of course it's their fault! They know the consequences of sex, and they better damn well know that contraception isn't 100%. Thus, if they choose to take the risk, no matter how small, and end up getting pregnant it is their fault. Carelessness is no excuse.

Why? To get your approval? I'm sure she cares, BF.

Her not caring doesn't make her any less wrong, and it doesn't make her actions any less deplorable and disgusting. In fact, her not caring makes them worse.

No, I just want to see everyone's clear opinion on this, AC, and for it to be thoroughly exposed what a hideous view that is. It is absolutely wrong by any rational viewpoint, and you defending it is simply routed from the same delusive state that any murderer uses.

Would you stab the baby to death 30 seconds AFTER it was born? I damn well hope not. So why the hell is it any different a minute before that? It was just in a different place, that is ALL the difference. Passing through a vagina does not mgaically make the baby now alive whereas before it was not. It was already a fully formed baby with a functioning brain that has already started the learning and thinking process.

I know that's true, everyone in this thread knows it is true, the law CERTAINLY knows it is true (and as I say, woul do you for murder if you put what you say into practice)...

... and furthermore, YOU know it is true, AC. You won't let go of your logic so you have been backed into defending a position where you think it is ok to kill fully formed babies in the womb on grounds of convenience, even though 30 seconds later they would be 'born', which is simply moving from one location to another.

I am willing to bet you don't actually think that, but have become so stupidly entangled in defending your false arguments that you won't back away. Well, everyone is going to see your hideous views for what they are, and if you simply don't care about people's views... that is not even vaguely laudable.

Now, do the sensible thing and admit that killing a baby that is just about to be born is indeed murder, as everyone sensible does and pretty much every legal system does.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"It better really threaten to ruin the life of the mother."

Why? To get your approval? I'm sure she cares, BF.

Cyber Ninja and Powerfulone's obsessions with me aside, no Soleran, I never said it was a definite, I said it's a possibility. As everything turning out fine is a possibility, it's also possible that she may not want to take that chance and she has the right not to.

-AC

Originally posted by Ushgarak
No, I just want to see everyone's clear opinion on this, AC, and for it to be thoroughly exposed what a hideous view that is. It is absolutely wrong by any rational viewpoint, and you defending it is simply routed from the same delusive state that any murderer uses.

Would you stab the baby to death 30 seconds AFTER it was born? I damn well hope note. So why the hell is it any different a minute before that? It was just in a different place, that is ALL the difference. Passing through a vagina does not mgaically make the baby now alive whereas before it was not. It was alreayd a fully formed baby with a functioning brain that has already started the learning process.

I know that's true, everyone in this thread knows it is true, the law CERTAINLY knows it is true (and as I say, woul do you for murder if you put what you say into practice)...

... and furthermore, YOU know it is true, AC. You won't let go of your logic so you have been backed into defending a position where you think it is ok to kill fully formed babies in the womb on grounds of convenience, even though 30 seconds later they would be 'born', which is simply moving from one location to another.

I am willing to bet you don't actually think that, but have become so stupidly entangled in defending your false arguments that you won't back away. Well, everyone is going to see your hideous views for what they are, and if you simply don't care about people's views... that is not even vaguely laudable.

Now, do the sensible thing and admit that killing a baby that is just about to be born is indeed murder, as everyone sensible does and pretty much every legal system does.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I have read several pages of your tripe, and I won't stand for it anymore.

*Sings Captain America theme* Haha, oh go on you.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
If you screw someone, it might make a baby.

Mmmhmm, continue.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
How dare you wonder if it could show up later and "inconvenience" you.
Keep your d*ck in your pants or your legs closed(female) if you don't want a baby.

How dare I? Because it's a possibility, f*ck all to do with you, Capt. Don't like it? Well isn't that great? Not asking you to.

It's not as simple as that and you're naive for thinking so. Let's continue...

Originally posted by sithsaber408
If you go ahead with it, wether protected or not, you can get pregnant.

Right. This is true, let's progress...

Originally posted by sithsaber408
This is common knowledge.

As above. Keep going...

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I'm sick of people not taking responsibility for their mistakes. As Makedde said, after 6 months, it feels pain. So not only are you killing it, but hurting it while it dies.

No you're not, you're sick of people not reacting to their "mistakes" as you want them to.

Anyway, continue...

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Even before that, it's still alive. The uteral wall linning the vagina isn't made out of some MAGIC SKIN that all of a sudden brings the baby to life as it passes out of it.

I'm convincing myself you do have a point coming up, or this was for nought.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
The child is alive in the womb, just as in the outside world.

I've never see a child walk around with an umbilical cord, alive only off it's mother's dependence in the real world. Maybe I need to visit this planet you live on.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
It has all the same organs, body functions, nervous systems, etc.... it's just in a different [B]environment.[/b]

There's a difference between being alive and having a life. Note it.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
And I know that you can read but I will reiterate, the topic of the thread is: [B]Poll: Abortion? not euthenasia, not capital punishment,etc.....

Please stay on topic. [/B]

Good point bu...wait...you didn't make a point that anyone else has.

-AC

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
Your statements have been very childish and selfish, and once again I noticed a little nit picky thing from you saying something about my contribution. Funny. I just can't live up to the person that you want me to be. And that's okay, b/c you shouldn't be that interested in me. Oh well.

And you say time and time again. Nobody can prove YOU wrong.

WHO HAVE YOU PROVED WRONG?

And as it is YOU my dear sir who continues to bring me up in their posts, it is YOU my dear sir who seems to be some kind of awful obsessed over me.

is it comprehensible.....

I have read this pages and pages now...............

So AC you feel abortions are ok no matter what term the pregnant mother is in and no matter what reason?

Originally posted by soleran30
I have read this pages and pages now...............

So AC you feel abortions are ok no matter what term the pregnant mother is in and no matter what reason?

Powerfulone, all you've done is come in here, make the odd comment and side with Ush against me as you do with anyone in my debates. You provide nothing of value.

Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
Woman's fault.... She shouldn't be doing shit in the first place which would prevent everything and no need for abortion...I already tol dyou about the rape issue and what happens so no excuses.

What you say she shouldn't be doing is none of your damn business, no excuses. We could prevent everything if we stopped doing a lot of things. Not going to happen though.

Originally posted by BackFire
Yes! Of course it's their fault! They know the consequences of sex, and they better damn well know that contraception isn't 100%. Thus, if they choose to take the risk, no matter how small, and end up getting pregnant it is their fault. Carelessness is no excuse.

So we should just not have sex? If contraception isn't 100% and in the failing of it, it's still their fault....no contraception is worse...just what sex IS ok to you, BF?

Originally posted by BackFire
Her not caring doesn't make her any less wrong, and it doesn't make her actions any less deplorable and disgusting. In fact, her not caring makes them worse.

And you caring doesn't make it any more your business.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
No, I just want to see everyone's clear opinion on this, AC, and for it to be thoroughly exposed what a hideous view that is. It is absolutely wrong by any rational viewpoint, and you defending it is simply routed from the same delusive state that any murderer uses.

Ok so you view it as a hideous view. What would you like me to do about this? Nothing? Good.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Would you stab the baby to death 30 seconds AFTER it was born? I damn well hope not. So why the hell is it any different a minute before that? It was just in a different place, that is ALL the difference. Passing through a vagina does not mgaically make the baby now alive whereas before it was not. It was already a fully formed baby with a functioning brain that has already started the learning and thinking process.

Stabbing a baby to death 30 seconds before birth is a bit different than the chinese partial birth abortions, I think you know that.

Gruesome acts, regardless of how soon or late they happen, aren't always malicious ones, which you seem to believe they are.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
I know that's true, everyone in this thread knows it is true, the law CERTAINLY knows it is true (and as I say, woul do you for murder if you put what you say into practice)...

You are arguing morals though, you can't prove my morals wrong just like I can't prove anyone else's pure morals wrong unless there are grounds to do so.

Murder is killing with premeditated malicious intent. If a baby is killed at any point because the woman or doctor think "Wanna f*cking kill this little bastard dead", then it would be malicious. Hence why not all killings are murder, some are manslaughter. If you stab a pregnant woman and kill the baby, is that murder ON THE BABY if you don't know she's pregnant? Or manslaughter?

Originally posted by Ushgarak
... and furthermore, YOU know it is true, AC. You won't let go of your logic so you have been backed into defending a position where you think it is ok to kill fully formed babies in the womb on grounds of convenience, even though 30 seconds later they would be 'born', which is simply moving from one location to another.

I've not been "backed" into anything. I appreciate the fact that you feel you have, but you haven't.

You are the one who believes everything is murder, not me.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
I am willing to bet you don't actually think that, but have become so stupidly entangled in defending your false arguments that you won't back away. Well, everyone is going to see your hideous views for what they are, and if you simply don't care about people's views... that is not even vaguely laudable.

Well believe it.

I don't care if people see my views as hideous, Ush. I honestly do not give two cares. You obviously do care, despite me being just a screen name, as you all are.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Now, do the sensible thing and admit that killing a baby that is just about to be born is indeed murder, as everyone sensible does and pretty much every legal system does.

I sense the frustration now.

You can't prove me wrong besides get mass OPINION, so you're trying to convince me to just agree with what you are saying, it's not going to happen Ush.

-AC

Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
Don't bother. I tried talking to him and he only cares about himself, and we are beneath him. Don't waste your time.

You PMed me whining about why I don't consider you to be worthy of friendship and I said I came here to discuss, not to make friends. Which you replied with "Ok, we're beneath you. I get it."

Not my words, the words of Cyber Ninja.

Originally posted by soleran30
So AC you feel abortions are ok no matter what term the pregnant mother is in and no matter what reason?

I may not agree with the reason, but yes. The choice is hers.

-AC

"What you say she shouldn't be doing is none of your damn business, no excuses. We could prevent everything if we stopped doing a lot of things. Not going to happen though."

🙄 So it's ok because it's none of my business. 😂 That was weak 🙂

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You PMed me whining about why I don't consider you to be worthy of friendship and I said I came here to discuss, not to make friends. Which you replied with "Ok, we're beneath you. I get it."

Not my words, the words of Cyber Ninja.

I may not agree with the reason, but yes. The choice is hers.

-AC

Originally posted by Lana
If people want to, they can. It's not your decision, it's theirs.

What makes you think it's your right to do so? It isn't. What other people do in no way effects YOU and YOUR life, and I can tell you right now that most people will not appreciate others meddling in such personal affairs. I can tell you right now that if some random person started telling me how I should live my life, I'd be pretty damn pissed.

It's not your business and does not concern you, and it's as simple as that.

It's not their business either. They are alive. They will continue to be alive.

The child has no right to be killed.

Of course people need their affairs muddled in. People are sh*t. They make bad decisions and allow attrocities to occur.

People need direction and guidance, I don't care if they are 5 or 50.

Most adults are just scared little children inside anyway, trying to make sense of the world, trying to do their best.

As I quoted from Tommy Lee Jones in MIB earlier "A person is smart, but people are dumb, dangerous, panicky animals and you know it."

I don't think people should be allowed to make decions based on your logic,..."It's not hurting you, leave me alone."

No,.... it's hurting unborn children, to the tune of a 1/3rd of our generation.

People are dumb, they have let the world slip into war, hatred, famine, poverty, selfishness, killing, rape, torture,.... all these things come from human nature.

While you or I may not participate in them, they are still indicative of the potential that humans have.

People need guidance and direction. People on their own, making their own decisons about life/death will make mistakes. (just look at AC)

I find it interesting, in this thread, the evolution thread, and the homosexuality thread, that most people say that all the things I listed about the human condition on earth means that there is no God.

So...

If there isn't, the responsibility lies with us, then we as people are failures, and show it by killing children that we are "inconvenienced" by.

If their is,.. then we are disobeying him by killing innocent children that we don't want the responsibility of caring for after we have disobeyed and had sex.

Either way, it's wrong....

Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
"What you say she shouldn't be doing is none of your damn business, no excuses. We could prevent everything if we stopped doing a lot of things. Not going to happen though."

🙄 So it's ok because it's none of my business. 😂 That was weak 🙂

I never said you have to think it's ok, I said you being of the belief what she should and shouldn't do is just your opinion. You're making yourself seem as though you have bearing over her decisions, you do not.

-AC

It really is obvious how you are just stuck on me.

I mean god. I've said many things and have asked you many questions and no matter what it is, you come back along the lines with stuff like.

"You've contributed nothing"

"You're just agreeing with other people"

"You're wrong"

"You're obsessed with me"

"Leave"

"Stop humping my leg like a dog"

I mean, if you would take me down from this high place in your mind that you have placed me at, and pay attention to my post and treat them like you treat everybody else's, we would get so much more out of this.

Let's see how you respond shall we.

is it comprehensible.....