The act of sex is can be performed for 2 reasons:
1) To procreate
2) Pleasure
On this, I gather that we all agree. The problem arises when pleasure turns into procreation. How could that possibly happen ? What went wrong and how could we have prevented it ? There were measures to prevent this but were they exploited ? Why not ?
Today we have abortion which is being exploited and abused as a 'commodity'. Abortion is not that. Using it that way is not responsable. Responsability lies in the prevention.
I agree, but sometimes prevention attempts fail.
I have continually said many times over, that there are idiots who misuse abortion, but there are idiots who misuse anything. If someone uses an abortion as the morning after solution, I think that's shameful, but it's also none of my business and I refuse to stop deserving females having abortions because of idiots.
-AC
Originally posted by JulieI think it's circumstantial...I was raised a Roman Catholic, and I believe that life is sacred, but I think the individual's have to be considered, it's not just a black and white yes or no.
Gee, I'm just full of these tonight.Are you pro-life, pro-choice, or pro-abortion?
But this new idea for home abortions is sickening...it just encourages disregard for human life...
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I agree, but sometimes prevention attempts fail.I have continually said many times over, that there are idiots who misuse abortion, but there are idiots who misuse anything. If someone uses an abortion as the morning after solution, I think that's shameful, but it's also none of my business and I refuse to stop deserving females having abortions because of idiots.
-AC
The females are only "deserving" of being called idiots for having sex. And oops, being surprised at getting pregnant.
And for killing the baby.
As I said before, it is only a good decision if done in a medical fashion because the life of the mother is at risk.
There are also "idiots" out there who molest little children, rape women, or kill people, but I guess " that's shameful but...." they are just idiots, right?
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So anyone who gets pregnant should have the kid or put it up for adoption? That's your point of view?I agree with you, they shouldn't do it for those reasons. HOWEVER, people WILL do that because idiots exist and if you let yourself be concerned with them, you're gonna have a lot to deal with buddy.
In my opinion, yeah they should just put it up for adoption unless there's some greater underlying danger involved in having the child. Or unless there's some valid reasoning behind not wanting to put it up for adoption, which I've heard zero evidence of.
f you wanna have opinions on it, go for it.You have no right to try and interject and make a difference on someone though.
Which isn't what I'm trying to do. I'm simply giving my thoughts on the matter, same as you, and same as everyone else.
Originally posted by BackFire
Sex is fine by me, never said it wasn't, never said people shouldn't have sex. I just said that if they do have sex, they should recognize and respect the possible consequences, and they shouldn't play victim when they, OOPS, get pregnant! Nor should they terminate a life simply because they were too stupid to recognize and prepare themselves for any possible outcome. A life shouldn't have to be destroyed just for their fault.Irrelevant to the point. In a discussion about something like abortion you can't play the "it's not your business" card when someone claims that something someone is doing is wrong. All murders and deaths that occur technically "aren't my business". That doesn't mean I can't have thoughts and opinions about them and their actions. If it happens in the society I live in, it becomes my business.
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Again AC,....
Originally posted by sithsaber408
The females are only "deserving" of being called idiots for having sex. And oops, being surprised at getting pregnant.And for killing the baby.
As I said before, it is only a good decision if done in a medical fashion because the life of the mother is at risk.
There are also "idiots" out there who molest little children, rape women, or kill people, but I guess " that's shameful but...." they are just idiots, right?
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That part about it being a good decision...or deserving, is your opinion.
Why are you talking about molestation and rape in an ABORTION thread? I swear it was you who said "there's a difference between abortion and euthanasia, stay on topic."
Guess what? There's a difference between abortion, rape and molestation.
Stay on topic. Again, Sith..."STFU", as you would say.
Originally posted by BackFire
In my opinion, yeah they should just put it up for adoption unless there's some greater underlying danger involved in having the child. Or unless there's some valid reasoning behind not wanting to put it up for adoption, which I've heard zero evidence of.
You don't believe that simply not wanting the baby is "valid" reasoning, therein lies your inability to understand why people go straight for abortions. Some people just don't want the child. As shameful and disgraceful as YOU think this is, that's sometimes how it happens. You don't have to think it's valid, but to them it is and it's their choice.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriYou don't believe that simply not wanting the baby is "valid" reasoning, therein lies your inability to understand why people go straight for abortions. Some people just don't want the child. As shameful and disgraceful as YOU think this is, that's sometimes how it happens. You don't have to think it's valid, but to them it is and it's their choice.
-AC
Then they shouldn't be F*CKING, then.
Plain and simple.
You don't believe that simply not wanting the baby is "valid" reasoning, therein lies your inability to understand why people go straight for abortions. Some people just don't want the child. As shameful and disgraceful as YOU think this is, that's sometimes how it happens. You don't have to think it's valid, but to them it is and it's their choice.
Considering that for them, putting it up for adoption would achieve the same end result as abortion (they would no longer have to care for the child, it would be out of their hands), no, it's not a valid excuse. There's no valid reasoning or logic behind it. My inability to understand this....that's true. I've never been able to understand the thought process of stupid people.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Then they shouldn't be F*CKING, then.Plain and simple.
Hey Sith, nice to see you.
On Earth, people have sex for pleasure also. It's a very human experience. People take precautions, sometimes these precautions fail.
Are you suggesting that everyone should stop having sex if they don't want a baby?
If you are, I suggest you better take a swig of the drink you just offered me.
-AC
Originally posted by BackFire
Considering that for them, putting it up for adoption would achieve the same end result as abortion (they would no longer have to care for the child, it would be out of their hands), no, it's not a valid excuse. There's no valid reasoning or logic behind it. My inability to understand this....that's true. I've never been able to understand the thought process of someone who's stupid.
I've known people who have put kids up for adoption, I don't know if you have.
Said person often mentioned about how she thinks about the baby a whole lot, on birthdays and just regularly. She said it's not nice, now she's anti-abortion, as in she doesn't agree with it but if supportive of the female choice.
I personally would rather know I stopped it before the "baby" was here, way before, than knowing I birthed it and palmed it off onto some other family. That IS me personally though, not asking you to agree. Just informing you that because you don't see valid reasoning, doesn't mean there isn't any.
-AC
Originally posted by Fiann@
Having an abortion because you don't want the baby is not a valid reason, at the end of the day it's a life these people are taking. And they get rid of it because they don't want it. It's selfish and immoral. I don't see how anyone can possibly support that claim.
They're not taking a life.
I have a life, you have a life, a foetus is alive...it doesn't have A LIFE. There's a difference, note it.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Hey Sith, nice to see you.On Earth, people have sex for pleasure also. It's a very human experience. People take precautions, sometimes these precautions fail.
Are you suggesting that everyone should stop having sex if they don't want a baby?
If you are, I suggest you better take a swig of the drink you just offered me.
-AC
I know,... I used to have sex with my wife for pleasure. (Dont take that the wrong way. 😛 , we still do.)
We had pre-marital sex. Lots of it. When we started our pre-marital counseling, we made a commitment to stay pure. It was hard as hell, I am the first to admit, having already "tasted" what my wife had to offer, but we did it.
I posted all this before you started chimming in, but I'll do so again.
This weekend my wife is attending the bridal shower of her friend Emily, who is getting married a virgin. (age 23).
People act like its impossible these days, or "just not realistic" to deny themselves sexual pleasure.
BULLSHIT!
They can too. They should until they are married (hey I know most don't, I didnt ...just giving my opinions here) and in a position to provide for the baby.
Besides, there is always masturbation!
(and a man will naturally release every 5-7 days in a nocturnal emission, so its a big fat CROCK that people "have" to have sex, or else.)
They are just undisciplined and selfish, and worse, irresponsible killers to boot, if they have sex anyway and then terminate the resulting pregnancy.
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Originally posted by Alpha CentauriUh huh....good argument there...you pick a hole in the fact that I used in word slightly out of context, but I think everyone gets what I mean. It's alive.
They're not taking a life.I have a life, you have a life, a foetus is alive...it doesn't have A LIFE. There's a difference, note it.
-AC
It should be against basic morality to respect life and not take it because it interrupts your lifestyle choice...