Abortion

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
ya know this might come as a shock but I actually proved AC wrong... And ya know... He admitted it!

I know your probaby desperate to beat him into a corner now that you have sided with the majority but really....

What are you talking about. You're acting as if proving AC wrong is a bad thing and I'm mad at you for it.
I was just asking him who he proved wrong. Don't get it twisted.

And what do you mean "Now that i've sided with the majority"? I was on here stating my side way before it got this heated.And if I did side with the majority, that would mean at one time I was for abortion, which isn't true and if you can prove it, I welcome you to do so. So please be knowledgable and intelligible in what you say, especially when it's about me.

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
"Cause someone questions something makes them Guilty of that crime"

I'm not even gonner start with how many wrongs there are with this...

No where did I say anyone was guilty.

IS IT COMPREHENISBLE.....

Stop discussing me please, flattered and all, but stop.

-AC

ha, my words don't hurt me. For someone who knows so much about me, you know so little.

Keep it that way.

And anyway, not talking to you, so you shouldn't have said anything.

But hey, look who it was who happen to post. Of course you HAD to say something to yours truly.

is it comprehensible.....

When are you going to understand that on an open discussion board, anyone has the right to reply to anyone else? Unless it's PMs, everything is open to reply to. It matters none if you were talking to me or not. Ironically, you don't care about "butting" into conversations, only when it's you.

I'm just saying, don't discuss me. I'm flattered, but don't. This isn't a thread for that.

-AC

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
As long as the baby is still inside the mother, it can never be murder. Harsh, but factual. Which is always the good route.

That is incorrect. Scott Peterson was found guilty of first degree murder for the killing of his wife, and second degree murder for the death of the unborn fetus.

Originally posted by BackFire
That is incorrect. Scott Peterson was found guilty of first degree murder for the killing of his wife, and second degree murder for the death of the unborn fetus.

You live in America, we don't. It might be different there, here it's not murder, legally.

-AC

So a guy can purposely kill a baby a day before it's born and it wouldn't be considered murder because it hasn't come out of the vagina yet? Even though it's pretty much fully devloped?

Yep, that about covers it. Harsh, as said, but factual...also as said.

-AC

Harsh, and pretty stupid, glad I don't live there.

It's not stupid, abortion just doesn't fit the legal definition of murder.

-AC

I'm not even talking about abortion. The fact that someone can walk in and stab a pregnant woman in the belly with the intent of killing the baby, who could be one day away from giving birth, with a fully developed baby inside of her, killing it, and not be elidgable of a murder charge is heinous. I mean, here in America we have some shitty laws and technicalities, but that is just barbaric.

The act is barbaric, the law and legality of it says it's not murder. Which is, of course, all we have to go by as science hasn't found a way to determine it. As barbaric as it is, I don't believe someone deserves to be sent to prison for a "murder" they didn't commit, just because it's a "baby". Luckily that won't happen here.

I would prefer to discuss abortion, since that's the thread title.

-AC

Out of curiosity, what sentance would they get?

Originally posted by BackFire
Out of curiosity, what sentance would they get?

I'm not 100% on that, I believe it to be manslaughter. Not totally sure, so I can't commit.

-AC

And is manslaughter the joke of a sentance that it is here in America? As in, like 3 years or something?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Then they shouldn't be F*CKING, then.

Plain and simple.

Originally posted by BackFire
And is manslaughter the joke of a sentance that it is here in America? As in, like 3 years or something?

It ranges typically from 3-10 I believe, circumstance depending. Last time I heard. So yes, 3 years minimum sentance.

Although I still am not 100% that this would be the charge, but I'd assume so.

-AC

Okie doke. Thanks for the info.

Originally posted by BackFire
Out of curiosity, what sentence would they get?

Actually there was something of a ground breaking case in Australia a couple of years back, that is it set a precedent. A man was physically violent with a pregnant women (and she wasn't on the verge of giving birth or anything, it was not a full term pregnancy when it happened) - the result was she lost the child, and the man was charged and convicted of manslaughter, though it wasn't a long sentence.

Bottom line...

If a woman goes to a clinic and asks for an abortion, she should have the signature of the husaband/father. However, if later, she is found to have obtained an abortion without the willing father's consent/permission, then mother is subject to legal penalties as well as time in jail.

Does that suit everyone?

One of the biggest problems I have is fathers rights. Why should they be ignored? On the flip side, that's where suffering the result of their actions should be considered. It may be all the womans body, but it took two to tango. So, abotrion should be allowed, but punishable if obtained through illegal consequence. And if the father lies, then he gets the same punishment.