Abortion

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
actually, no you haven't.

You repeatedly say how nobody has proved you wrong.

So I asked you pages ago.

WHO HAVE YOU PROVED WRONG?

ya know this might come as a shock but I actually proved AC wrong... And ya know... He admitted it!

I know your probaby desperate to beat him into a corner now that you have sided with the majority but really....

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
Abortion is murder and anyone who thinks of otherwise is a murderer in their own right.

is it comprehensible.....

"Cause someone questions something makes them Guilty of that crime"

I'm not even gonner start with how many wrongs there are with this...

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Besides, there is always masturbation!

I personally would rather know I stopped it before the "baby" was here, way before, than knowing I birthed it and palmed it off onto some other family. That IS me personally though, not asking you to agree. Just informing you that because you don't see valid reasoning, doesn't mean there isn't any.

Many people who have abortions think about it as well, but I'd imagine that their thoughts are much worse, at least the person who misses their child because they put it up for adoption can find comfort in that it's alive, and has possibilities of a happy life. Plus the possibility of finding that child one day and seeing it again is still there.

Something is better off dead than it is with another family? I'm certainly hoping I'm misinterpreting that. If not, that's another case of a stupid, and in this case, horribly selfish, thought process that I just can't lower myself to understanding.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I've known people who have put kids up for adoption, I don't know if you have.

Said person often mentioned about how she thinks about the baby a whole lot, on birthdays and just regularly. She said it's not nice, now she's anti-abortion, as in she doesn't agree with it but if supportive of the female choice.

I personally would rather know I stopped it before the "baby" was here, way before, than knowing I birthed it and palmed it off onto some other family. That IS me personally though, not asking you to agree. Just informing you that because you don't see valid reasoning, doesn't mean there isn't any.

-AC

And as I also posted earlier:

My sister-in-law was pregnant at 16 unable to care for the baby, and gave it up for adoption.

She does miss her daughter Summer, who she gets pictures of, and hears about from the parents.

When Summer is 18, if she chooses, she can meet my sister-in-law.

A family who couldn't have children has a wonderfull little girl, and my sister in law didnt' have to become a mother before she was ready. It was emotionally hard for her, but she accepts that as a consequence for her mistake.

On the flip side, her mother, and mine, both had abortions as younger women, and have had to deal with guilt and depression over their decisions.

👀-NOOB!

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I know,... I used to have sex with my wife for pleasure. (Dont take that the wrong way. 😛 , we still do.)

Haha, ladies and gentlemen...Bob Hope!

Originally posted by sithsaber408
We had pre-marital sex. Lots of it. When we started our pre-marital counseling, we made a commitment to stay pure. It was hard as hell, I am the first to admit, having already "tasted" what my wife had to offer, but we did it.

Right, I'm gonna make a MASSIVELY WILD leap and assume you know that you and your wife are not everyone.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I posted all this before you started chimming in, but I'll do so again.

Splendid of you.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
This weekend my wife is attending the bridal shower of her friend Emily, who is getting married a virgin. (age 23).

Right.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
People act like its impossible these days, or "just not realistic" to deny themselves sexual pleasure.

I agree, it has got to a point where people thing it's impossible. You must also realise that while the idea of no sex before marriage is fine with me if it works for you, it's also archaic. Just because you chose to, doesn't mean everyone must. Sex is a human experience and people deserve the right to appreciate it.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
BULLSHIT!

They can too. They should until they are married (hey I know most don't, I didnt ...just giving my opinions here) and in a position to provide for the baby.

You believe people should wait until marriage to have sex? Fine with me. See, this is where I get oh so confused. I'm browsing the list of what rights people have and....I see the right to an opinion, yeah. What I don't see is the right to tell people the shouldn't f*ck if they don't want a baby or shouldn't f*ck before marriage. Is that a secret clause?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Besides, there is always masturbation!

You are not the world.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
(and a man will naturally release every 5-7 days in a nocturnal emission, so its a big fat CROCK that people "have" to have sex, or else.)

Now you're just being really, really stupid.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
They are just undisciplined and selfish, and worse, irresponsible killers to boot, if they have sex anyway and then terminate the resulting pregnancy.

You're so right, how f*cking dare they? How DARE they want to have sexual intercourse with their boyfriend or girlfriend? Why...why I'm so gosh heck darn mad! Damn those humans and their "wants". If only we wanted nothing and lacked human nature, this world would be a better place.

-AC

Originally posted by BackFire
Many people who have abortions think about it as well, but I'd imagine that their thoughts are much worse, at least the person who misses their child because they put it up for adoption can find comfort in that it's alive, and has possibilities of a happy life. Plus the possibility of finding that child one day and seeing it again is still there.

Something is better off dead than it is with another family? I'm certainly hoping I'm misinterpreting that. If not, that's another case of a stupid, and in this case, horribly selfish, thought process that I just can't lower myself to understanding.

That's completely true, and I agree with you, but again...different people react in different ways. I also know people who have had abortions and they are much better off than if they'd have had the baby, in this circumstance.

I personally wouldn't want my girlfriend to go through the wretched pain of childbirth if I knew she wasn't going to be happy with the baby being born. It's not a matter of better off dead or not, it's a choice between adoption and abortion. There are two choices and people will always choose one over the other.

A woman my mother knows was guilted into adoption by pro-life "friends", the kid later showed up and not only more or less condemned her for giving him away, but also subsequently ruined the marriage after the guy she was with decided it was too much to handle.

Wouldn't have happened if abortion had been carried out.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

You're so right, how f*cking dare they? How DARE they want to have sexual intercourse with their boyfriend or girlfriend? Why...why I'm so gosh heck darn mad! Damn those humans and their "wants". If only we wanted nothing and lacked human nature, this world would be a better place.

-AC

It never hurt anyone to wait for sex until they are married and can provide for a baby. Never. If you say it does, again I say: BULLSHIT!

It does however hurt people when you have sex, get pregnant, and choose abortion.

1.)It hurts the couple, most (if they were together) don't last because of it.

2.)It hurts the mother, more and more studies are showing, who will experience some sort of guilt/depression and even have a dissatisfaction with their lives.

3.) It hurts our society, as I have posted.... my generation has lost 1/3rd of its members to abortion. That is F*cking sad. 🙁

4.) It hurts the child, who by no fault of his/her own is denied a chance at life in this world.

👀-NOOB!

Originally posted by sithsaber408
(and a man will naturally release every 5-7 days in a nocturnal emission, so its a big fat CROCK that people "have" to have sex, or else.)

I know that this thread is about abortion and stuff, but did you just mean that a man can ejaculate (naturally) without having an orgasm every 5-7 days by saying that?

The reason I ask is that its extremely rare for a man to ejaculate 'just like that' let alone every 5-7 days !

I think you, or someone you know may be affected by it, altough its not a problem, but you were generalising.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
And as I also posted earlier:

My sister-in-law was pregnant at 16 unable to care for the baby, and gave it up for adoption.

She does miss her daughter Summer, who she gets pictures of, and hears about from the parents.

When Summer is 18, if she chooses, she can meet my sister-in-law.

A family who couldn't have children has a wonderfull little girl, and my sister in law didnt' have to become a mother before she was ready. It was emotionally hard for her, but she accepts that as a consequence for her mistake.

On the flip side, her mother, and mine, both had abortions as younger women, and have had to deal with guilt and depression over their decisions.

👀-NOOB!

AC,...

Respond to this .

Originally posted by sithsaber408
It never hurt anyone to wait for sex until they are married and can provide for a baby. Never. If you say it does, again I say: BULLSHIT!

It never hurt anyone not to either. Stupid logic. You think people should wait for marriage to provide for a baby, let me just pop the bubble and send you hurtling to reality:

Not everyone wants kids, I certainly do not. Does that mean I have no right to sex?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
It does however hurt people when you have sex, get pregnant, and choose abortion.

If I have sex with my girl, she gets pregnant and has an abortion, it doesn't affect you in any way, shape or form.

If you say it does, again I say: BULLSHIT! (Fact).

Originally posted by sithsaber408
1.)It hurts the couple, most (if they were together) don't last because of it.

False, not always the case.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
2.)It hurts the mother, more and more studies are showing, who will experience some sort of guilt/depression and even have a dissatisfaction with their lives.

False, not always the case AGAIN.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
3.) It hurts our society, as I have posted.... my generation has lost 1/3rd of its members to abortion. That is F*cking sad. 🙁

Doesn't hurt society does it? No, let's stop being silly now.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
4.) It hurts the child, who by no fault of his/her own is denied a chance at life in this world.

Aka "It hurts me that this happened to the child, therefore it hurts the child."

There are none more selfish than people like you, I make that guarantee.

-AC

Originally posted by sithsaber408
And as I also posted earlier:

My sister-in-law was pregnant at 16 unable to care for the baby, and gave it up for adoption.

She does miss her daughter Summer, who she gets pictures of, and hears about from the parents.

When Summer is 18, if she chooses, she can meet my sister-in-law.

A family who couldn't have children has a wonderfull little girl, and my sister in law didnt' have to become a mother before she was ready. It was emotionally hard for her, but she accepts that as a consequence for her mistake.

On the flip side, her mother, and mine, both had abortions as younger women, and have had to deal with guilt and depression over their decisions.

What's the big deal? You knew a situation where adoption worked out and abortion didn't, so what?

I know situations that are the exact reverse.

-AC

Originally posted by GCG
I know that this thread is about abortion and stuff, but did you just mean that a man can ejaculate (naturally) without having an orgasm every 5-7 days by saying that?

Yeah, its a wet dream.

It may slow to once or twice a month as a man gets older, but his body will naturally release semen.

As far as orgasm, I don't pretend to know, but having an organsm isn't a necessity of life. (It's a fun part of it though 😄 )

Neither is releasing semen, since the body will take care of it for you.

The point of the post is that people can bloody well wait until marriage to have sex, and be at a point where they are bettter prepared to raise a child.

Nobody "needs" to have sex, they just want to.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Nobody "needs" to have sex, they just want to.

Wait...when did this become a negative?

Not too sure what there is to be said about this kind of depressing idiocy.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It never hurt anyone not to either. Stupid logic. You think people should wait for marriage to provide for a baby, let me just pop the bubble and send you hurtling to reality:

Not everyone wants kids, I certainly do not. Does that mean I have no right to sex?

If I have sex with my girl, she gets pregnant and has an abortion, it doesn't affect you in any way, shape or form.

If you say it does, again I say: BULLSHIT! (Fact).

False, not always the case.

False, not always the case AGAIN.

Doesn't hurt society does it? No, let's stop being silly now.

Aka "It hurts me that this happened to the child, therefore it hurts the child."

There are none more selfish than people like you, I make that guarantee.

-AC

Well,... it appears that I am now "casting my pearls before swine", as you won't take anybody's advice on the subject. It is a pointless waste of my sore fingers to continue on with someone as hard-headed as you. I am more open, willing to consider the health of the mother as a possible exception to the rule, but I will save my thoughts for those who are actually open to ideas.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What's the big deal? You knew a situation where adoption worked out and abortion didn't, so what?

I know situations that are the exact reverse.

-AC

Yes but your vagueness lead me to believe them to be fake. My sister in law's name is melissa, her mother is Lori, and mine is Cindy.

They are all real people, and I can post some pics, if you'd like.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Wait...when did this become a negative?

Not too sure what there is to be said about this kind of depressing idiocy.

-AC

People can kill a child if they don't want it for the sake of having unrestricted carnal sloppiness.

Not sure what there is to be said about that truly depressing kind of idiocy. ❌

👀-NOOB!

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Well,... it appears that I am now "casting my pearls before swine", as you won't take anybody's advice on the subject. It is a pointless waste of my sore fingers to continue on with someone as hard-headed as you. I am more open, willing to consider the health of the mother as a possible exception to the rule, but I will save my thoughts for those who are actually open to ideas.

It's not a matter of advice is it? It's a matter of you condemning anyone who has premarital sex.

"Nobody needs sex, they just want it." as a negative. I've seen some ridiculous bs on this site, but I think that one ices the cake.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Yes but your vagueness lead me to believe them to be fake. My sister in law's name is melissa, her mother is Lori, and mine is Cindy.

They are all real people, and I can post some pics, if you'd like.

Hahaha, so me not having the desire to namecheck and spread my personal business on this site means that I am somehow lying? What desperation.

Secondly, believing me or not doesn't erase the sheer fact that abortions AND adoptions both have cases where they fail AND work out.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
People can kill a child if they don't want it for the sake of having unrestricted carnal sloppiness.

Not sure what there is to be said about that [B]truly depressing kind of idiocy. ❌

👀-NOOB! [/B]

You say people shouldn't have premarital sex in order to provide for a baby, right? As dumb as that is, let's work with it:

What if a couple don't want kids? Are they to not have sexual intercourse?

-AC

Not supposed too, no. (Sex=baby. Abstinece=no baby.)

Even if they do, as is often the case, they shouldnt kill the kid they brought into the world with their selfishness.

You, nor I, nor anybody else(accept a doctor to save the mother) should have the choice of wether or not a child will die.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Not supposed too, no. (Sex=baby. Abstinece=no baby.)

Even if they do, as is often the case, they shouldnt kill the kid they brought into the world with their selfishness.

You, nor I, nor anybody else(accept a doctor to save the mother) should have the choice of wether or not a child will die.

You mean whether or not a child is killed, either way I certainly don't have that power over anyone but myself. The same goes for everyone, though a foetus dependent on it's mother host is still very much it's mother's. It's her choice.

Sex doesn't definitely equal a baby does it? Don't descend further into stupidity.

So you are saying with all rationality, that if you don't want a kid, you should not have sex, ever?

-AC

I'm not sure why people are bandying about the term murder, as if the argument hinges upon it.

Murder is a legal term, and the killing of a baby in the womb is never murder, because it does not fit the definition.

This has nothing to do with, as suggested variously above, malice or intent. It's simply that a baby in the womb is not, as per the legal definition, a 'reasonable person who is in being'.

As long as the baby is still inside the mother, it can never be murder. Harsh, but factual. Which is always the good route.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
killing of a baby

Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
😂

Which bit are you having trouble with?

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Which bit are you having trouble with?