Abortion

Look, it's really simple.

It's the woman's choice, if she wants to have an abortion. So be it. People abuse that right, tough shit. It may not be right but there's women out there who fall unfortunately pregnant and don't want to have the child. They deserve the option to stop it. They kill the cells, not a baby. I'd rather the cells be killed than the baby grow up to have a shit life because it wasn't wanted, or me having to raise a kid because my girl was too worried about getting an abortion at 18. Abortion is needed.

Too many people in the world, too many people having babies that they wont raise or love. So cut it the **** out. It's not murder. If anything it's life saving.

If you drive a car on a road trip and it breaks down right outside. It sucks but at least it didn't get too far along to cause problems. Same with babies.

-AC

in a way your right, sometimes pregnancy is an accident or simply forced upon a woman, but when it comes down to it abortion is a choice. i live in ireland, and abortion is illegal, and we also have the highest rate of teen pregnancy in europe, what does that tell u? yes people are stupid and make mistakes, we're all only human, but we need choices. i value life very highly and i hope to one day have a child, but only when i can afford to.

I still feel thats it's murder.

ok, i respect your opinion, i hope you can respect mine

Even if you make abortion illegal, people are still going to have them. The difference is if its illegal the mother is in danger of killing herself as well as the baby.

Clarifying my post know will not do a damn difference I know but i feel a need to. Yes i know that most women who get rapped arnt a bunch of whores im sorry if i hurt alot of you, im not looking for your forgiveness i was blinded by my anger and rage at the moment and did not care what my actions were. In fact by stating what i said i lost the case i ws trying to make. I was the monster not the man.

no worries, happens to everytone

My point is, if you want no abortions, then don't piss and moan when the woman leaves her baby in a dumpster or on the steps of a hospital. You made her have it, so don't ***** at how she deals with her unwanted child.

Why do you value life highly? I'm curious. Child birth isn't a miracle. You have sex, you come inside a fertile woman, a baby is developed. It's as simple as eating then shitting.

-AC

i meant that to have a child for me would be a special experience because im not a family man and to want one with he woman i love would be very profound. conceiving is easy, loving and raring a child isnt. im not a prolifer, i believe abortion is a choice that should be allowed, but not be abused. i think u misunderstood my meaning, as i said before, in ireland we have the highest percentage of teenage mothers in europe because abortion is illegal and people are irresponsible. i wish things were different, that women had more of a choice, thats all.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
My point is, if you want no abortions, then don't piss and moan when the woman leaves her baby in a dumpster or on the steps of a hospital. You made her have it, so don't ***** at how she deals with her unwanted child.

Why do you value life highly? I'm curious. Child birth isn't a miracle. You have sex, you come inside a fertile woman, a baby is developed. It's as simple as eating then shitting.

-AC

There are lots of people that want babys, there is NO excuse for anyone to leave a baby in the dumpster 🙁 that is utterly heartless & selfish, just as abortion is to me. There's no reason that shld happen.

Life is very precious and can disappear from us at any moment. Someone we love, frnd, sister, brother, mom, dad, we are not promised tomorrow. Why do you NOT value life very highly?

1.If she doesnt want it then give it up for adoption i'm sure there are plenty of people who cant have children of their own and will be GLAD to raise them as their own, your problem is solved.
2. I value life because in the first place i wouldnt abort it (if i could) just because someone sais its legal or my "constitutional righ", also i wouldnt have wanted someone to abort me when i was in the stage of development, think of all the stuff you guys would have missed out if your parents decided your were some speck of dust with no importance or value only equivlent to some microscopic scum. When you abort you just dont kill a cell but the creatures life, all the things he could have gone through dening someone or something the right to live is the equivelent of murder.

id agree with your first point, but its not always possible when your alone and vulnerable.

for your second point, i would only believe it was murder if the child was well developed, i.e, consciousness, organs, limbs fully developed. but before then i dont believe it to be murder.

Originally posted by Predator 89
1.If she doesnt want it then give it up for adoption i'm sure there are plenty of people who cant have children of their own and will be GLAD to raise them as their own, your problem is solved.
2. I value life because in the first place i wouldnt abort it (if i could) just because someone sais its legal or my "constitutional righ", also i wouldnt have wanted someone to abort me when i was in the stage of development, think of all the stuff you guys would have missed out if your parents decided your were some speck of dust with no importance or value only equivlent to some microscopic scum. When you abort you just dont kill a cell but the creatures life, all the things he could have gone through dening someone or something the right to live is the equivelent of murder.

🙂 well said.

"that is utterly heartless & selfish, just as abortion is to me. There's no reason that shld happen."

Utterly heartless and selfish is making a woman give birth to a child she doesn't want for whatever reason knowing that it could ruin her life, just coz you don't think it's right.

"1.If she doesnt want it then give it up for adoption i'm sure there are plenty of people who cant have children of their own and will be GLAD to raise them as their own, your problem is solved. "

People are selfish and want a kid of their own, adoption is ideal but it wont happen. People want the "magic" of child birth, sadly.

"also i wouldnt have wanted someone to abort me when i was in the stage of development, think of all the stuff you guys would have missed out if your parents decided your were some speck of dust with no importance or value only equivlent to some microscopic scum."

Scum? Taking it a bit far. If my parents lives would have been lead to extreme struggle and ruin as a result of my birth then I wouldn't have a problem with being terminated. The thing is, you never know if you are coz you aren't a human yet. Ooooh all the stuff I would have missed. The pain, agony, frustration and despair in the world. Sure there's amazing stuff but missing out on the world today isn't a bad thing at all. BUT it's not missing out, it's stopping cells from becoming a child that would be born unloved and unwanted. It's selfish in itself to force the child to be born into a world where it isn't wanted and to be consciously treated as that speck of dust you refer to.

"When you abort you just dont kill a cell but the creatures life, all the things he could have gone through dening someone or something the right to live is the equivelent of murder."

Talk about blowing it all out of proportion. You kill the cells. You don't kill anything else. Just the cells. It's not denying the right to live because had it not been for unfortunate events ANYWAY, there would be no cells in development. Hence why abortion is a good thing more than a bad thing. You are taking it too harshly. Then again I don't have sanctity of life. I don't hold it high in value. I've got it, I use it. I don't worship it.

-AC

murder is selfish and heartless. Adoption can happen, but people think it's better to murder than to give up for adoption. Kill the cellss?? you act as if it's Nothing inside the woman, it is LIFE, a baby, a human

FE> Oh, This is good “even a crumb is bread, maybe it's not the whole slice, but it doesn't change the fact that it's bread.” No, hun… a crumb is a crumb.
If you cut off one of your fingers do you call the finger a human being?
Since the foetus CANNOT survive without the womans body it is not.

Dictionary: Murder: The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.
So, hun: If abortion is legal, it is NOT murder.

Dictionary: Baby: a very young child (birth to 1 year) who has not yet begun to walk or talk;
So, a foetus, hun, is NOT a baby.
I asked YOU what a four month old foetus looks like. Does it look like a miniature BABY (As in a miniature version of a newborn?).

Answer my questions – HERE they are: AGAIN:
A foetus a few weeks old has no conscience – it is NOTHING. To no one. The woman however is someone’s daughter, someone’s sister, wife, friend. Why is her life so much less important to you?

What is JUST a poem? That diary thingy you pulled in to support anti-abortion? What on EARTH does a poem have to do with ANYTHING??

Would you allow the woman to abort a foetus which is severely ill, handicapped, with Downs syndrome or that would die within a few years after birth?

Do you – with the same vigour – support giving aid to starving kids in the third world as you do advocating against abortion?

Pr1983> Well said! Do you have sexual education in biology class over there when you reach your teens?

OMEGA, go to the other post cuz i have answered your questions several times, i'm not answering them again, there's a pic of one on the link i gave if you need to see it.

FE> For the gigazillionth time: You SAYING you answered my questions far from means you did.
I see an interesting pattern here.
I ask you questions, you fuss and dodge. I repeat my questions, you still don’t reply. I ask them again and you CLAIM to’ve answered them.

Point me to the post directed to me, where you answered these questions:
A foetus a few weeks old has no conscience – it is NOTHING. To no one. The woman however is someone’s daughter, someone’s sister, wife, friend. Why is her life so much less important to you?

What is JUST a poem? That diary thingy you pulled in to support anti-abortion? What on EARTH does a poem have to do with ANYTHING??

Would you allow the woman to abort a foetus which is severely ill, handicapped, with Downs syndrome or that would die within a few years after birth?

Do you – with the same vigour – support giving aid to starving kids in the third world as you do advocating against abortion?

(Oh, and since you just missed ANOTHER question: If you cut off one of your fingers do you call the finger a human being?)

>Omega 1. i'm a little slow would you like to point out how giving aid to children in 3rd world countries has to do with being anti-abortion.
2.There are plenty of examples of things that are legal and wrong.
3. I'll repeat myself again dependence on other things to live does not make something dead. Read some of the posts from the earlier pages you might learn something new.
4. I've stressed before fetus can be and will be something.
5. Poems express people feelings it is a spontaneous overflow of powerful emotions that can teach people through the use of metaphors and similies. The poem expreses points of views in an artistic form not to be taken literaly the way you did.
6. I know two women who were going to give birth their Dr.'s said that they were going to be born with deformaties and what not, they took a chance and now the two girls are in perfect health.
Alpha centauri yes i worship life so what if i could find a way i would be inmortal.

I'm not sure how I would react to having a deformed child 🙁 how about the rest of you?