Abortion

Started by badsymbiote787 pages

Good point. I would likely do the same, especially if it were likely that the child would die. The loss of a child would be too much to bear for me--it's like deciding which of your limbs you'd like amputated. No one should have to make a decision like that.
Furthermore, so many people are already so unnattached to their own children--it's very commonplace to read that a girl will deliver a baby in a public restroom and just smother it in a plastic garbage sack--it's happened 4 or 5 times in my town just the past couple of years. (All of the children were born healthy).
In 2 of the cases, the babies were left on someone's front door step, less than half a mile and a year apart from each other. They suspected they were the same mother, and all of the babies were African-American, the second time, it was a set of twins. Both babies were alive when they were born but one had been suffocated by the other because they were carelessly placed in the box. It dismays me to no end that I seemed to care for these children more than their own mother did. To my knowledge, they never did find her.

Also, I appreciate the info on Merrick, the Elephant Man, who had always fascinated me due to the beauty of his spirit even though he experienced only the worst of treatment by nearly every person he ever encountered. Whenever I'd find myslef getting cocky as a teenage, I'd read a book about Merrick, and that always restored my humility.

Pity about the cast of his head, because though I 've seen the pictures taken by Frederick Treves and the London Hospital many times, I'm sure it would inspire quite a bit more wonder before my own eyes.
As I do remember it, he died before he was 30 years old, maybe at 26 or 27, if my memory can be trusted. At the time of his death, the circumference of his head was about 36 inches.

True dat. Merrick's life really is inspiring, but even so, I'd have rather have him not experience that suffering at all than have him go through what he went through.

What I find sad about Merrick's death is that he died just trying to be normal. His head was so big that he couldn't sleep laying down, so he slept sitting up. One day he decided to sleep normally, and he broke his neck. 🙁

what a sad story, to be honest if i knew my child would be born like that i would do anything to prevent them suffering, its the only humane thing to do. i think anyone who would do otherwise would be quite selfish, regardless of their beliefs.

Yep. And that is one of only 2 or 3 times that I've actually seen Merrick referred to by his real name. For some reason, I had always seen him called John instead of Joseph.
I think Treves alludes to this in his own memoirs, which I've not read in at least 10 years.

Dr. Frederick Treves wrote Merrick's name to be "Joseph" first, but then thought he was mistaken, crossed it out, and replaced it with "John", when he was actually right the first time. This is why Joseph Merrick is often referred to as "John". Common mistake made by way too many who claim they know what they're talking about. The second they say "John Merrick" they instantly lose credibility on the subject in my eyes.

Did anyone watch Channel Four news tonight ((england))? There was a report on because Portugal has banned abortions, women are forced to have 'back-street' abortions, where they run a high risk of infection, sickness and death.

Couldn't find the C4 link, but here are some others:

BBC --> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1768438.stm

CNN --> http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/08/24/holland.portugal.abortion.reut/

Free Republic --> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1201783/posts

New Zealand News --> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3550064&thesection=news&thesubsection=world&thesecondsubsection=

its illegal in ireland so most women travel to england for it or try those back street things, its really terrible that they cant be taken care of here

How primeval. That would be harsh enough if you just "made a mistake" with your boyfriend, but the ultimate slap in the face to woman who had suffered a sexual assault. Shameful.
On the other hand, when rape is not the cause, I suppose women there try to be as careful as they possibly can, unlike here where many women irresponsibly use abortion as a form of birth control.

i think thats my main fear, as long as its used responsibly, abortion is ok, but i don't want to see it abused if it is ever legalised. Just want to get your opinions, do the people against abortion consider the morning after pill as murder? am not looking for an argument, am just curious.

Well,in America and as a general rule, your average conservative will say it could and likely would be construed as murder in their eyes, and conversely, your typical liberal will say that scientifically, biologically and/or spiritually, a soul had not been created as yet, so it would not be too sinful to use, provided that you use it correctly and responsibly.

Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
and world hunger?? lol wich is really none of your business what i support or send money to has absolutely nothing to do w/killing a baby.

Yes actually, it does. It has everything in the world to do with "killing a baby". Know why? Because since you get all upset when people "destroy human life", for any reason, I am rather shocked that you fail to recognize that starving children in third-world countries are very much alive as well... And by doing so you are only contributing to the problem. As Pap's sig says, "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem." So congratulations, you cold-blooded killer you 🙂

"as long as its used responsibly, abortion is ok, but i don't want to see it abused if it is ever legalised."

But it will, it will be abused. The point is, we can't stop that. So let's not punish the women in genuine need of an abortion just because of idiots.

If you believe in sanctity of life then you should be out there supporting every charity and every help group. Don't get on the "I hate abortion" bandwagon just because it involves "cute" little babies. A starving child dying and a cells being killed are two vastly different things but if you wanna help, help them both.

-AC

But it will, it will be abused. The point is, we can't stop that. So let's not punish the women in genuine need of an abortion just because of idiots.

thats exactly what i was trying to say

Originally posted by badsymbiote
Well,in America and as a general rule, your average conservative will say it could and likely would be construed as murder in their eyes, and conversely, your typical liberal will say that scientifically, biologically and/or spiritually, a soul had not been created as yet, so it would not be too sinful to use, provided that you use it correctly and responsibly.

yup, but your average conservative ((at least, most of the ones in power)) are generally men - when will they ever have to have an abortion? I don't really think they have a right to judge - they never have or never will be put in the situation to have to make their awful decision.

((Btw, I'm not getting at you, I am just using your point to make my own 😉 ))

But Phoe, remember that there are just as many women opposed to abortion as well. When it comes right down to it, It depends more on religion than a person's political stance--Christians are generally opposed to it, regardless or their political views, whereas it is much more varying with non-Christians.

you've got a point, but i think there are people from every religion who might have a difference of opinion, look at ireland, a predominately christian country, the last time we had a vote on abortion it was a very close call, so i think there are as many christians as anyone else.

Well, here at least. But I know that Christians have different views from country to country.

of course

I'm Christian, and I don't have anything against abortions, I just don't think it should be done for frivolous reasons, eg, you couldn't be arsed to get a condom. If you were drugged/drunk/raped/condom split, I don't see a problem if you really can't face having the baby