Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I don't like the idea of it being used as birth control either, but like you said I have no problem with it being legal.-AC
It is good that we have found agreement. So, let me ask you a question.
If abortion was guarantied to remain legal, what would be the harm in viewing the unborn as human and alive? Could we find a balance; legal abortion and respect for the unborn?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It is good that we have found agreement. So, let me ask you a question.
If abortion was guarantied to remain legal, what would be the harm in viewing the unborn as human and alive? Could we find a balance; legal abortion and respect for the unborn?
It wouldn'T matter certainly..but it would be wrong...since a fetus is not a human.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It is good that we have found agreement. So, let me ask you a question.
If abortion was guarantied to remain legal, what would be the harm in viewing the unborn as human and alive? Could we find a balance; legal abortion and respect for the unborn?
People confuse "alive" with "a life". The difference is crucial.
I don't believe anything that is in the womb has "a life". A tree is alive, it doesn't have a life.
Killing isn't a bad word, it's an act. Like farting, or belching. In context in which the act is done, is what's debateable. People are throwing around a few, what I like to call, alarm words.
"Baby", "Killing", "Evil". People need to stop doing that, it clouds things needlessly and gives idiots the avenues to stay in this debate longer than they have the ability to due to acting hysterically as a result of emotion. Much like you did when you swore at me, though you apologised and I respect/accept that.
Like the quote in Jaws: "It's all psychological. You yell 'Barracuda!' and everyone goes 'huh, what?' You yell 'Shark!' and we've got a panic on our hands."
Same applies to abortion. You use the phrase "Murdering a baby" instead of "Killing an unborn, undeveloped foetus/embryo" and the world goes moral crazy.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
People confuse "alive" with "a life". The difference is crucial.I don't believe anything that is in the womb has "a life". A tree is alive, it doesn't have a life.
Killing isn't a bad word, it's an act. Like farting, or belching. In context in which the act is done, is what's debateable. People are throwing around a few, what I like to call, alarm words.
"Baby", "Killing", "Evil". People need to stop doing that, it clouds things needlessly and gives idiots the avenues to stay in this debate longer than they have the ability to due to acting hysterically as a result of emotion. Much like you did when you swore at me, though you apologised and I respect/accept that.
Like the quote in Jaws: "It's all psychological. You yell 'Barracuda!' and everyone goes 'huh, what?' You yell 'Shark!' and we've got a panic on our hands."
Same applies to abortion. You use the phrase "Murdering a baby" instead of "Killing an unborn, undeveloped foetus/embryo" and the world goes moral crazy.
-AC
I wasn't mad at you, and I am sorry. I am mad at a woman I saw on a TV show some years ago, who said that abortion was good for a woman and that she had 5 abortions so far. I have always supported the legalization of abortion, but I can not stomach such disrespect for life. When I was reading your posts and you were equating the fetus to blue prints, I kept having that woman in my head disrespecting life. I didn’t realize this until I thought about it, so my anger was misdirected. I love people, and it is my sincere belief that God is in all living things. So, I’m in the middle and I feel like no one is listening.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I wasn't mad at you, and I am sorry. I am mad at a woman I saw on a TV show some years ago, who said that abortion was good for a woman and that she had 5 abortions so far. I have always supported the legalization of abortion, but I can not stomach such disrespect for life. When I was reading your posts and you were equating the fetus to blue prints, I kept having that woman in my head disrespecting life. I didn’t realize this until I thought about it, so my anger was misdirected. I love people, and it is my sincere belief that God is in all living things. So, I’m in the middle and I feel like no one is listening.
If you let idiots get you mad, you'll life your life angry, because incase you didn't notice- the world is full of them.
If you read my analogy, you'd know I didn't NECESSARILY do that. Either way, that's useless now.
Furthermore, it's your choice to believe in God. Everyone is born an athiest, so you can't say to an athiest "You can't abort that! It's God's too!" because she doesn't believe in God, you chose to (and yes, I know you're not saying that, just saying you can't get religion involved).
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If you let idiots get you mad, you'll life your life angry, because incase you didn't notice- the world is full of them.If you read my analogy, you'd know I didn't NECESSARILY do that. Either way, that's useless now.
Furthermore, it's your choice to believe in God. Everyone is born an athiest, so you can't say to an athiest "You can't abort that! It's God's too!" because she doesn't believe in God, you chose to (and yes, I know you're not saying that, just saying you can't get religion involved).
-AC
Yes there are a lot of idiots in the world, but I don't want the idiots to ruin things.
I'm not trying to get religion into this. So, I would say to an atheist, respect for life is the only reason you are alive.
It comes down to how do we agree on a definition of life that will not lead to wide spread abuse? And right now, I see wide spead abuse when it comes to abortion.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not sure what you're getting at.People are going to abuse anything though.
-AC
Well, it's simple to me. I look at the number of abortions in the US per year, and I can’t believe that I have protested in favor of abortion rights. Can’t we do something to lower that number short of illegalizing abortion.
Re: Abortion
Originally posted by Julie
Gee, I'm just full of these tonight.Are you pro-life, pro-choice, or pro-abortion?
I believe that it's a womans' choice.
I don't really like the thought of having a baby being scrambled or sucked out of it's mothers' womb.
But that doesn't mean that I'm going to hate a woman for doing it.
What if the woman was raped? I don't think the mother would really want to have a reminder of what that man did to her ever single day for the rest of her life. Or what if she has an abusive boyfriend? It would be horrible to bring a defenseless baby into that kind of world.
im not for abortion at ALL{unless it really risks the mother's life}, but some people{not referrin to all ofcourse} who are against it dont realize that IF we give an undeveloped{that is to say less than 3 month old} the rights f a human being, then theoretically we should also give the same right to sperm and an unfertilized egg too, which means that every time a guy jerks off or a woman has her period, their babies are actually being killed.
Re: Re: Abortion
Originally posted by Violet_Byatch
I believe that it's a womans' choice.I don't really like the thought of having a baby being scrambled or sucked out of it's mothers' womb.
But that doesn't mean that I'm going to hate a woman for doing it.
What if the woman was raped? I don't think the mother would really want to have a reminder of what that man did to her ever single day for the rest of her life. Or what if she has an abusive boyfriend? It would be horrible to bring a defenseless baby into that kind of world.
Those are very good reasons to keep abortion legal. But would you use it as a form of birth control? And how would you feel about a woman who did?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Well, it's simple to me. I look at the number of abortions in the US per year, and I can’t believe that I have protested in favor of abortion rights. Can’t we do something to lower that number short of illegalizing abortion.
You can't say it's the woman's choice and then try to quell their right to choose. You're either for or against and in being for the legalisation of it you accept that it happens, not necessarily agree with it. I don't agree with abortion as birth control, but if that's the choice, that's the choice.
-AC
Re: Re: Re: Abortion
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Those are very good reasons to keep abortion legal. But would you use it as a form of birth control? And how would you feel about a woman who did?
As birth control? As in everytime she got pregnant she got a abortion?
No, women should not be able to do that.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You can't say it's the woman's choice and then try to quell their right to choose. You're either for or against and in being for the legalisation of it you accept that it happens, not necessarily agree with it. I don't agree with abortion as birth control, but if that's the choice, that's the choice.-AC
I don't want the issue to be black or white. I don't have a good answer, but I would like for people to stop, drawing lines in the sand and start coming up with compromises. But maybe I’m asking too much.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don't want the issue to be black or white. I don't have a good answer, but I would like for people to stop, drawing lines in the sand and start coming up with compromises. But maybe I’m asking too much.
There are a lot of things we'd like, what's your point?
You don't like the fact that women WILL use abortion as birth control, I don't either, but in supporting the woman's right to choose you must accept that she MIGHT choose to do that. You don't have to agree, but you must accept that she MIGHT.
You can't let her "freely" choose and then say "Except that, you can't do that."
-AC