Abortion

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If I had the right answer for that, I'd have a lot more money.

I'm not talking the act of abortion, I'm talking about when it is permitted. The way things are now in the US, it will only be a matter of time before the Supreme Court sends the law, on abortion, back to the states to decide rather it is illegal or not.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I see what you are saying now. In that sense, it would be impossible to please everyone. Maybe I should have said legal abortions is the closest to a compromise as it can get.

What do you think about putting a number limit, like 2 or 3 times in a lifetime with exemptions? I feel that it’s reasonable to not want women to use it as birth control.

Why are you not getting the whole concept of "We don't always get what we want"?

You don't want it to be used as birth control, I don't and I'm sure nobody does besides the people doing it, but the fact of the matter is this: You can't stop it. It will happen and you cannot stop it. You don't have to like it, but it's out of your hands.

So the stance you have to take is either for abortion being legal and the women using it how they want (which may include birth control), or it being illegal and women everywhere being thrust into facing the horrid necessity of coat hangers and alleyways.

If you're the lover of life you claim to be, I think you know which one is the greater good. Whether or not you have the sense and honour to admit that is up to you, but not admitting it is why there's such an issue.

-AC

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What do you think about putting a number limit, like 2 or 3 times in a lifetime with exemptions? I feel that it’s reasonable to not want women to use it as birth control.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So the stance you have to take is either for abortion being legal and the women using it how they want (which may include birth control), or it being illegal and women everywhere being thrust into facing the horrid necessity of coat hangers and alleyways.

Poppycock. If women took responsiblity for their actions and stopped spreading their legs for every Tom, Dick and Harry, there would be need for coathanger abortions. Women who have coathanger abortions would be those women to selfish and stupid to think of the consequences of their actions.

Originally posted by Makedde
Poppycock. If women took responsiblity for their actions and stopped spreading their legs for every Tom, Dick and Harry, there would be need for coathanger abortions. Women who have coathanger abortions would be those women to selfish and stupid to think of the consequences of their actions.

Quite possibly the most selfish, ill informed, worrying perception of abortion I've ever seen in this thread. Everytime I lower the bar on how far you'll do the stupidity limbo, you turn into rubber bones and duck it time and time again.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Quite possibly the most selfish, ill informed, worrying perception of abortion I've ever seen in this thread. Everytime I lower the bar on how far you'll do the stupidity limbo, you turn into rubber bones and duck it time and time again.

-AC

Over 90% of abortions would occur because the women doesn't use protection. Perhaps being faced with the threat of a coathanger would scare these women into being responsible ladies. But then again, they'd probably all jump and down and anger because they believe it is their right to sleep around and infect themselves with all manner of sexually transmitted diseases. 🙄

Originally posted by Makedde
Over 90% of abortions would occur because the women doesn't use protection. Perhaps being faced with the threat of a coathanger would scare these women into being responsible ladies. But then again, they'd probably all jump and down and anger because they believe it is their right to sleep around and infect themselves with all manner of sexually transmitted diseases. 🙄

Wait, I needed to re-read that, because I'm in shock at what I read.

Are you implying that it's NOT a woman's right to sleep around and infect themselves with diseases if they so wish?....Seriously?

A) Yes, that's exactly what it is. Their right.

B) You cite the possibility of having to use a coathanger as a positive threat? Then whine because they want their law and life given rights?

You seriously just topped the stupidity of your previous post with your immediate reply to mine. How that's possible I will never know.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Wait, I needed to re-read that, because I'm in shock at what I read.

Are you implying that it's NOT a woman's right to sleep around and infect themselves with diseases if they so wish?....Seriously?

A) Yes, that's exactly what it is. Their right.

B) You cite the possibility of having to use a coathanger as a positive threat? Then whine because they want their law and life given rights?

You seriously just topped the stupidity of your previous post with your immediate reply to mine. How that's possible I will never know.

-AC

Women should not have the right to sleep around. Unprotected sex carries the risk of disease. They sleep with a man, who gives them an STD. The women sleeps with another man and passes the STD on. Both man and women sleep with other partners, so so the disease is passed. Do women really have the right to put other peoples lives at risk? Men sleep around, too, but men don't get pregnant. Men don't kill their children because they would interfere with their social life.

Women can have abortion rights, all I was saying was that if they were threatened with a coathanger, they might be frightened into being responsible. We will never lower the high abortion rate if we allow women to screw around and have abortions for whatever reason.

Originally posted by Makedde
Women should not have the right to sleep around. Unprotected sex carries the risk of disease. They sleep with a man, who gives them an STD. The women sleeps with another man and passes the STD on. Both man and women sleep with other partners, so so the disease is passed. Do women really have the right to put other peoples lives at risk? Men sleep around, too, but men don't get pregnant. Men don't kill their children because they would interfere with their social life.

Women can have abortion rights, all I was saying was that if they were threatened with a coathanger, they might be frightened into being responsible. We will never lower the high abortion rate if we allow women to screw around and have abortions for whatever reason.

You can't punish all people because of a select few less intelligent people.

Originally posted by Makedde
Women should not have the right to sleep around. Unprotected sex carries the risk of disease. They sleep with a man, who gives them an STD. The women sleeps with another man and passes the STD on. Both man and women sleep with other partners, so so the disease is passed. Do women really have the right to put other peoples lives at risk? Men sleep around, too, but men don't get pregnant. Men don't kill their children because they would interfere with their social life.

If this is such a concern to you, don't partake in such acts. You're not responsible for other people so don't assume you are. To say women shouldn't have the RIGHT to sleep with whoever they want is downright outrageous.

Also irrelevant.

Originally posted by Makedde
Women can have abortion rights, all I was saying was that if they were threatened with a coathanger, they might be frightened into being responsible. We will never lower the high abortion rate if we allow women to screw around and have abortions for whatever reason.

I honestly do not know where to start with you anymore. You've descended so far into ridiculous rhetoric that it's confusing even me.

What do you mean "If we allow"? Women can sleep with whoever they hell they want and have abortions for whatever reason they want. What the hell is it to do with you? Nothing. You can't accept that, but it's nothing. If I get my girlfriend pregnant and she was to use abortion as birth control, how much authority do you have to try and interject on her/our decision? Quick answer: None. If you do not like, condone or believe in abortion, then don't f*cking have one. Don't stop a woman having one because you don't like them but then have criteria in which it is ok for you.

It's beyond ridiculous and beyond hypocricy.

-AC

Originally posted by StyleTime
I don't want women to use it as birth control either. However, we have no right to stop them.

I don't have a good answer. But I know the way the wind is blowing.

Abortion will be handed over to the states and some will out-law it, and some will not.

I could be wrong.

Abortion should not be banned, but it should be restricted.

Originally posted by Makedde
Abortion should not be banned, but it should be restricted.

The question is, how do you restrict it?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The question is, how do you restrict it?

I would love the Government to have say, a National Sexual Health Day, where everyone is educated about sex. The Government could design brochures, explaining the different methods of contraception, and how to use it, costs, and how effective it is. Women are very uneducated about sex, which is why there are so many abortions. I strongly believe that if there was more sex education in schools, and if women were educated about sex, there would be a decline in the abortion rate.

At the moment, with the legalisation of RU486, which for the past decade has been banned in Australia, women are being encouraged to have an abortion, not discouraged. RU486 offers women another way to abort their child, and I don't agree with this.

We should be looking at WHY women abort their children. If it's about their social situation, find out why. Education is needed, or else there will be a entire nation of irresponsible people, and abortion rates so high that the national birth rate will decline.

Originally posted by Makedde
I would love the Government to have say, a National Sexual Health Day, where everyone is educated about sex. The Government could design brochures, explaining the different methods of contraception, and how to use it, costs, and how effective it is. Women are very uneducated about sex, which is why there are so many abortions. I strongly believe that if there was more sex education in schools, and if women were educated about sex, there would be a decline in the abortion rate.

At the moment, with the legalisation of RU486, which for the past decade has been banned in Australia, women are being encouraged to have an abortion, not discouraged. RU486 offers women another way to abort their child, and I don't agree with this.

We should be looking at WHY women abort their children. If it's about their social situation, find out why. Education is needed, or else there will be a entire nation of irresponsible people, and abortion rates so high that the national birth rate will decline.

I agree, but the religious right, here in the US, would be against that. The problem is both left and right will not compromise on this issue. Your plan might work, but people will say that sex education is what caused the problem. As stupid as that sound, it will be the case.

I don’t know what to do.

Originally posted by Makedde
I would love the Government to have say, a National Sexual Health Day, where everyone is educated about sex. The Government could design brochures, explaining the different methods of contraception, and how to use it, costs, and how effective it is. Women are very uneducated about sex, which is why there are so many abortions. I strongly believe that if there was more sex education in schools, and if women were educated about sex, there would be a decline in the abortion rate.

How naive.

People go through years of school and come out not knowing basic grammar, jistory or English. What do you think ONE sexual health day is going to do? You need to realise something here: Whilst I HOPE your intentions here are good, you are creating more problems than you hope to solve. You need to accept (not agree with) the fact that abortion should be legal, and you have done, and that in the event of it being legal there WILL be people who misuse it. THIS is the price of letting people have the freedom of choice, you can't whittle it down to what YOU would like, it doesn't work that way.

Originally posted by Makedde
At the moment, with the legalisation of RU486, which for the past decade has been banned in Australia, women are being encouraged to have an abortion, not discouraged. RU486 offers women another way to abort their child, and I don't agree with this.

I believe that's called tough shit. What you agree with isn't relevant. I don't agree with people's choices to vote Bush, but they had that right and they chose to. Except with abortion, it doesn't effect your life.

Originally posted by Makedde
We should be looking at WHY women abort their children. If it's about their social situation, find out why. Education is needed, or else there will be a entire nation of irresponsible people, and abortion rates so high that the national birth rate will decline.

Wait, how f*cking pretentious, patronising and self-absorbed are you going to become?

Firstly, the world is heavily overpopulated, an increasing birth rate isn't what you should be looking for right now. If you're so pro-life, adopt the kids that are already here, unwanted and alone. Care for those, don't stick your nose into some woman's business.

Second, why is it any business of yours why she's aborting it? I'm so baffled as to why you fail repeatedly to grasp this. She could be aborting it for the most selfish and irresponsible of reasons, you don't have to like it, but you have to accept it's her right. If you're giving her the choice to have an abortion, you can't step in and say "Well hey now, you can't abort that for social reasons". It's none of your business for Christ's sake.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don’t know what to do.

Oh someone bring me a violin.

Don't do anything. Support and back your belief, that's it. Don't know what to believe? Then are you in any position to comment? Your religion and religious beliefs are what's keep you from making the decision to just let women do as they wish. You don't have to agree with the reason they do it, but accept that this is their right. You don't agree with the way I view things, but you can't tell me anything besides that.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
...Oh someone bring me a violin.

Don't do anything. Support and back your belief, that's it. Don't know what to believe? Then are you in any position to comment? Your religion and religious beliefs are what's keep you from making the decision to just let women do as they wish. You don't have to agree with the reason they do it, but accept that this is their right. You don't agree with the way I view things, but you can't tell me anything besides that.

-AC

When I say I don't know what to do, I mean, abortion is going to be illegal soon in the US. I give it 5 years. We pro-choice people have to find a compromise or this discussion will be ended with “too bad, pro-choice looses.”

We have found a compromise, an extremely fair one. Well, I personally have, with regards to my view.

It's the woman's choice totally and completely. We won't get a compromise until we agree with pro-lifers and anti-abortioners whilst also becoming hypocrites and saying that some reasons are ok for abortion, others are not.

Reasons are irrelevant, why? Because they're personal. If a woman want's an abortion for rape, birth control, failed contraception or any other amount of reasons, guess what? That is ENTIRELY up to her. I don't want to have to say this again, it's not the chaos theory, you should understand it by near 200 pages.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
We have found a compromise, an extremely fair one. Well, I personally have, with regards to my view.

It's the woman's choice totally and completely. We won't get a compromise until we agree with pro-lifers and anti-abortioners whilst also becoming hypocrites and saying that some reasons are ok for abortion, others are not.

Reasons are irrelevant, why? Because they're personal. If a woman want's an abortion for rape, birth control, failed contraception or any other amount of reasons, guess what? That is ENTIRELY up to her. I don't want to have to say this again, it's not the chaos theory, you should understand it by near 200 pages.

-AC

Are you drunk or stone? That is not a compromise. You just said, it's my way, or the highway. And what are you talking about chaos theory for? I would love to talk to you about chaos theory, but make a thread first.