Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Mother giveth, Mother taketh away.-AC
No, no.... that distinction belongs to God.
I believe so and I am welcome to say it. (just as you are welcome to spew forth the excrement that comes from your mouth on a constant, daily basis.)
I had an awesome weekend with real people.
Nice to see that you were in here carrying the banner.
Against Ush and Shaky, people who are 9 and 15 years your senior.
People who have lived life and know a thing or two about it.
I would love to discuss this debate with anyone of sense, but you are an honest to God,... dolt.
"If killing a fetus is murder, than is burning the blueprints to a house arson?"
😆 ---STFU
"A tree is alive, but like a fetus, it doesn't have a life" 😆---STFU
Neither do you.
You sit in here making snide remarks at people who join in, and generally talk down your nose at anyone who doesn't subscribe to your BS theory that any woman can kill her child, no matter in the womb or out (you, know, that "MAGIC" thin tissue that makes a fetus into a baby, and turns it from being alive to having a life), and its never a murder.
Piss on the legal defintion of murder, as Shaky said (and I before him), it will soon change.
You however are not likely too. You seem to spend an excessive amount of time in here which leads me to believe:
1.) you are an out of work looser with nothing better to do.
2.) you are a spoiled brat who has nothing better to do.
3.) you are a young college student on a campus with nothing better to do.
Based on your foolish analogies, and you saying things like "Debate over", "your stupid", and my personal favorite "Answer my question" (as if you have any place to demand anything from anybody)....you probably are a kid in his first or second year of college.
You remind me alot of my little sister actually, she's a freshman too.
You do have some knowledge, but very little life experience, which will give you the wisdom to implement that knowlege in a workable way in life.
Rather than clinging like a child to his favorite stuffed animal, to your unarticulated, and rather depressing idea of the value of human life, and your ideas of how and where it should be allowed to continue.
I'm against abortion except for medical emergencies but I almost would have allowed for an exception in your case. 😉
Maybe if you weren't so morally obtuse/intellectually infantile/arrogant in presenting the pro-choice point of view.......
But there are people who present it well. 🙂
So Junior, for now....
You're on Silence. 😄
Originally posted by sithsaber408
No, no.... that distinction belongs to God.I believe so and I am welcome to say it. (just as you are welcome to spew forth the excrement that comes from your mouth on a constant, daily basis.)
I had an awesome weekend with real people.
Nice to see that you were in here carrying the banner.
Against Ush and Shaky, people who are 9 and 15 years your senior.
People who have lived life and know a thing or two about it.
I would love to discuss this debate with anyone of sense, but you are an honest to God,... dolt.
"If killing a fetus is murder, than is burning the blueprints to a house arson?"
😆 ---STFU
"A tree is alive, but like a fetus, it doesn't have a life" 😆---STFU
Neither do you.
You sit in here making snide remarks at people who join in, and generally talk down your nose at anyone who doesn't subscribe to your BS theory that any woman can kill her child, no matter in the womb or out (you, know, that "MAGIC" thin tissue that makes a fetus into a baby, and turns it from being alive to having a life), and its never a murder.
Piss on the legal defintion of murder, as Shaky said (and I before him), it will soon change.
You however are not likely too. You seem to spend an excessive amount of time in here which leads me to believe:
1.) you are an out of work looser with nothing better to do.
2.) you are a spoiled brat who has nothing better to do.
3.) you are a young college student on a campus with nothing better to do.
Based on your foolish analogies, and you saying things like "Debate over", "your stupid", and my personal favorite "Answer my question" (as if you have any place to demand anything from anybody)....you probably are a kid in his first or second year of college.
You remind me alot of my little sister actually, she's a freshman too.
You do have some [B]knowledge
, but very little life experience, which will give you the wisdom to imlement that knowlege in a workable way in life.Rather than clinging like a child to his favorite stuffed animal, to your unarticulated, and rather depressing idea of the value of human life, and your ideas of how and where it should be allowed to continue.
I'm against abortion except for medical emergencies but I almost would have allowed for an exception in your case. 😉
Maybe if you weren't so morally obtuse/intellectually infantile/arrogant in presenting the pro-choice point of view.......
But there are people who present it well. 🙂
So Junior, for now....
You're on Silence. 😄 [/B]
Originally posted by StyleTime
That post didn't further your argument in any way. You threw insults at Alpha Centauri.
Which is often fun 😉
Originally posted by StyleTime
Alpha Centauri who has actually made valid claims.
Agreed and I was also suprised 😉 j/k
Originally posted by StyleTime
Deriding someone usually means you have no real merit left in your argument.
Or you're having fun, all in all a good post though Styletime old pal - what do you think Sol as I see you lurking at the top of the board🙂
Originally posted by StyleTime
That post didn't further your argument in any way. You threw empty insults at Alpha Centauri who has actually made valid claims. Deriding someone usually means you have no real merit left in your argument. It's a subtle way of conceding.
LOL I wouldn't say they were empty🙂
I wait for the day the definition of murder is to change. It will happen I just hope they aren't foolish when they do it.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
No, no.... that distinction belongs to God.
Newsflash buddy, you were born an atheist whether you like admitting that fact or not. You chose to believe in God, she didn't. Try telling an atheist that the baby in her womb belongs to a God she doesn't even believe to exist. Then again, you would probably try. It's people like you who give christian's a bad name. You go about bashing the bible and preaching the lord's word but in forcing your opinions and personal choices upon a woman you don't even know, you're simultaneously hindering more than helping, which is so ironically what you religious nazi's claim to do and I'm sick of it.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
I believe so and I am welcome to say it. (just as you are welcome to spew forth the excrement that comes from your mouth on a constant, daily basis.)
"That distinction belongs to God." "If you don't want a baby, don't have sex." "Remaining a virgin until marriage isn't an archaic idea." It's like pick a quote a run with it, if excrementitious spewing is your concern.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
I had an awesome weekend with real people.Nice to see that you were in here carrying the banner.
Fail to see what this has to do with anything.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Against Ush and Shaky, people who are 9 and 15 years your senior.
Age clearly doesn't matter in this debate then does it? No. Again, fail to see how this is relevant.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
People who have lived life and know a thing or two about it.
Lived life? I suggest you brush up on the research, but I'm sure you'll get to the point soon.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
I would love to discuss this debate with anyone of sense, but you are an honest to God,... dolt.
Haha, oh you...
Originally posted by sithsaber408
"If killing a fetus is murder, than is burning the blueprints to a house arson?"😆 ---STFU
"A tree is alive, but like a fetus, it doesn't have a life" 😆---STFU
Neither do you.
Tsk tsk, mind your manners.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
You sit in here making snide remarks at people who join in, and generally talk down your nose at anyone who doesn't subscribe to your BS theory that any woman can kill her child, no matter in the womb or out (you, know, that "MAGIC" thin tissue that makes a fetus into a baby, and turns it from being alive to having a life), and its never a murder.
It's never murder, fact. This needn't be discussed and I'm not going to discuss it with someone idiotic when I'm factually correct.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Piss on the legal defintion of murder, as Shaky said (and I before him), it will soon change.
Well aren't you quite the lil soothsayer of KMC? Hundreds of years and no change in law, IF it happens we'll chat then buddy.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
You however are not likely too. You seem to spend an excessive amount of time in here which leads me to believe:1.) you are an out of work looser with nothing better to do.
2.) you are a spoiled brat who has nothing better to do.
3.) you are a young college student on a campus with nothing better to do.
Despite all this being irrelevant, I will allow you to call me all the names under the sun, be they positive or negative, and I will step up and admit I am them all, true or not, just to annoy you a little further. Why? Because no amount of religious bible bashing, "owned/stfu" pics and childish insults will change the blatant fact that you've come back from this awesome weekend with "real people" to spend time typing out a diss post, and still got your digital ass handed to you everytime you've addressed me.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Based on your foolish analogies, and you saying things like "Debate over", "your stupid", and my personal favorite "Answer my question" (as if you have any place to demand anything from anybody)....you probably are a kid in his first or second year of college.
Firstly it's "You're", secondly yes I do. If you're making a claim and I ask you a question that tests your conviction only to be repeatedly dodged (I proved my point), I shall rightfully assume you're scared to answer.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
You remind me alot of my little sister actually, she's a freshman too.
Is she also a man who hands your debates back with an F- when you talk to her? Haha, I'm just kidding buddy. I don't mean that, haha.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
You do have some [B]knowledge, but very little life experience, which will give you the wisdom to implement that knowlege in a workable way in life.[/b]
Ladies and gentlemen, Ghandi. He'll be here all week.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Rather than clinging like a child to his favorite stuffed animal, to your unarticulated, and rather depressing idea of the value of human life, and your ideas of how and where it should be allowed to continue.
If only you realised how drastically hypocritical this is.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
I'm against abortion except for medical emergencies but I almost would have allowed for an exception in your case. 😉
Oh...and this.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Maybe if you weren't so morally obtuse/intellectually infantile/arrogant in presenting the pro-choice point of view.....But there are people who present it well. 🙂
So Junior, for now....
You're on Silence. 😄
Oh good, resorting to the Whob technique. Love it, dig it.
I've indulged you this time, next time keep it relevant, because that's what I'll reply to.
Dust.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I know what he was implying, Capt. I failed and still fail to see what it had to do with anything (technically this is false, it has nothing to do with anything, but for the sake of).-AC
I understand you got it. I'm just wondering if he's implying that he is a good upstanding christian, and because of that, he's been rewarded with a social life outside his computer..and with the ability to make friends. Much like yourself, I'm trying to figure out what his statement had to do with anything.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I hope not.Why don't you agree? I fail to see the logic there. Not because it's my view, but that view in general (because a lot of people hold it). What's there to disagree with? "You can have abortions, it's your right.....OH! Unless I disagree with the reasons you're doing it." The reasons are nothing to do with you, so why do you maintain the belief you have the right to hold bearing over it? Just curious.
-AC
In war soldier kill. So, in your way of thinking, whom they kill is up to them and they should be allowed to kill anyone they have to. It is their life that they are protecting. But over time, we as a society have come to realize that this kind of power must be controlled. If you are say that abortion effects only the woman, then you are not looking at the big picture. How should a society act? Should one group or class of people me given rights greater then other groups? Abuses in any right lead to an unbalancing of this social order. The reason abortion is a hot button issue that as one group (women) are perceived by another group (religious fundamentalists) as having a right that they believe they should not have. No one wants to hurt women; there are women on both sides of this issue. You can’t fix this problem by taking one side or the other, you have to find common ground.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
In war soldier kill. So, in your way of thinking, whom they kill is up to them and they should be allowed to kill anyone they have to. It is their life that they are protecting.
See my part on soldiers.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But over time, we as a society have come to realize that this kind of power must be controlled. If you are say that abortion effects only the woman, then you are not looking at the big picture. How should a society act? Should one group or class of people me given rights greater then other groups? Abuses in any right lead to an unbalancing of this social order.
No amount of philosophising or "I love human life" musings will ever convince me that morally (subjective) or in conjunction with rights, abortion has anything to do with anyone besides the mother and yes, the father. "Parents" I guess you could say.
The giant confusion comes from the fact that YOU have chosen to make these females your responsibility, you don't have that right. That is a right you do not have. If you told me that I couldn't do something that didn't affect you just because we're both members of society, I'd tell you to take that opinion and stick it somewhere that lacks solar illumination, to be humourously vague. It's none of your business. This whole confusion comes from the whole "We're all responsible" bs, which isn't true at all. You're not responsible for me, nor I for you.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The reason abortion is a hot button issue that as one group (women) are perceived by another group (religious fundamentalists) as having a right that they believe they should not have. No one wants to hurt women; there are women on both sides of this issue. You can’t fix this problem by taking one side or the other, you have to find common ground.
No, you take one side or the other and if there's no common ground then don't try to compromise with those who won't, for any reason.
The reason abortion is a "hot button" is because people like you (don't take that as a negative) are confusing the issue by saying we are all responsible for one another which we are not, and people like Sithsaber who are shoving their bibles and chosen beliefs down people's throats. Me and people like me are not forcing abortion, adoption or keeping the child, we're expressing that whether we agree with any possible choice or not, it's her choice, and that's the way the wind is blowing as far as factual support goes.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
See my part on soldiers.No amount of philosophising or "I love human life" musings will ever convince me that morally (subjective) or in conjunction with rights, abortion has anything to do with anyone besides the mother and yes, the father. "Parents" I guess you could say.
The giant confusion comes from the fact that YOU have chosen to make these females your responsibility, you don't have that right. That is a right you do not have. If you told me that I couldn't do something that didn't affect you just because we're both members of society, I'd tell you to take that opinion and stick it somewhere that lacks solar illumination, to be humourously vague. It's none of your business. This whole confusion comes from the whole "We're all responsible" bs, which isn't true at all. You're not responsible for me, nor I for you.
No, you take one side or the other and if there's no common ground then don't try to compromise with those who won't, for any reason.
The reason abortion is a "hot button" is because people like you (don't take that as a negative) are confusing the issue by saying we are all responsible for one another which we are not, and people like Sithsaber who are shoving their bibles and chosen beliefs down people's throats. Me and people like me are not forcing abortion, adoption or keeping the child, we're expressing that whether we agree with any possible choice or not, it's her choice, and that's the way the wind is blowing as far as factual support goes.
-AC
You are blind to what I am saying. You are part of the problem and not part of the answer.
fin
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
People go through years of school and come out not knowing basic grammar, jistory or English. What do you think ONE sexual health day is going to do? You need to realise something here: Whilst I HOPE your intentions here are good, you are creating more problems than you hope to solve. You need to accept (not agree with) the fact that abortion should be legal, and you have done, and that in the event of it being legal there WILL be people who misuse it. THIS is the price of letting people have the freedom of choice, you can't whittle it down to what YOU would like, it doesn't work that way.
I am not talking about ONE sexual health day, I want sexual health to be taught every week in schools. You think that knowing about contraception won't prevent pregnancy? I don't give a **** if they can't read or write, it's no excuse for spreading their legs. Poor math or English doesn't mean women will spread their legs, sex education can prevent unwanted pregnancy.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I believe that's called tough shit. What you agree with isn't relevant. I don't agree with people's choices to vote Bush, but they had that right and they chose to. Except with abortion, it doesn't effect your life.
You seem not at all bothered by this. Yet another way to abort ones child, encourages abortion. Do you want to encourage women to have abortions? I certainly hope not, but it seems to me like you do.
Instead of 80,000+ abortions each year, we could have 100,000 a year with this pill. Women can have surgical abortion, that is still available to them, yet they'd prefer to just walk into a doctors office and come out with a pill. 🙄
Originally posted by Makedde
I am not talking about ONE sexual health day, I want sexual health to be taught every week in schools. You think that knowing about contraception won't prevent pregnancy? I don't give a **** if they can't read or write, it's no excuse for spreading their legs. Poor math or English doesn't mean women will spread their legs, sex education can prevent unwanted pregnancy.
Originally posted by Makedde
I am not talking about ONE sexual health day, I want sexual health to be taught every week in schools. You think that knowing about contraception won't prevent pregnancy? I don't give a **** if they can't read or write, it's no excuse for spreading their legs. Poor math or English doesn't mean women will spread their legs, sex education can prevent unwanted pregnancy.
Yeah? There are things I want too, but we don't always get what we want. A lesson you'd do well to learn.
Why do you keep beginning retorts with "I don't give a f*ck..." and "I don't agree with"? You don't give a f*ck? Well guess what? I'm sure the random woman you're trying to force your beliefs on doesn't have you on her christmas card list either, lady. It's not about you and it's not about what you care/give a f*ck about. You're being selfish.
You also missed my point. Something being taught in schools doesn't mean that it will be adopted as a belief or even learned. This is the result of you wanting these girls to act in a way you agree with, and that's pathetic.
Originally posted by Makedde
You seem not at all bothered by this. Yet another way to abort ones child, encourages abortion. Do you want to encourage women to have abortions? I certainly hope not, but it seems to me like you do.
I want to encourage women to do whatever the hell they want with their OWN lives, because that's their right and it has zero percent to do with me...and you...and anyone else. If what they want is keeping the baby, I support it. If what they want to do is adoption, I support that. If what they want is an abortion, I support that too, for whatever reason. I am of the belief that it's their choice, their life. This is a fact. Which would also mean that unless you are the mother or the father, it's none of your business. I'll keep repeating that until it sinks in, or infact, I'll ask you:
Do you believe that some random woman having an abortion for ANY reason, is your business?
Originally posted by Makedde
Instead of 80,000+ abortions each year, we could have 100,000 a year with this pill. Women can have surgical abortion, that is still available to them, yet they'd prefer to just walk into a doctors office and come out with a pill. 🙄
Who in the hell do you think you are? "Yet THEY'D prefer..."? When did you become spokesperson for the female gender, Mak? Moreover, a lot of women obviously wouldn't prefer that because there ARE abortions, and women want them. You not being able to sleep with that knowledge is neither skin off any other woman's nose nor is it altering any facts. Your whole debate basically comes down to "Wah wah I want I want, I don't agree with what they're doing with their rights".
-AC
Originally posted by StyleTime
It already is taught in schools here, yet we have a huge abortion rate along with a high teen pregnancy rate.
Okay, so if we don't teach our girls about sex when in school, they'll go out and get pregnant. If we DO teach them, they still get pregnant. What is wrong with them? Are they stupid? Why does it go in one ear and straight out the other? This is why I think abortion needs to be restricted. It needs to be harder to get one. Maybe then they'll think twice about acting irresponsibly. As I have said in an earleir post, if women can't be responsible for their bodie, what makes them think they can be responsible for their kids, when they decide to have them? It's no good telling your 16 year old daughter that it's okay to sleep around with whoever, and have abortions whenever you like. That's just immature, which a lot of women are.
Multiple abortions will weaken their uterus, so when these women finally decide they want to keep a baby, they end up having miscarriage after miscarriage. Why? Because their womb is so used to holding a baby for a short period of time, it expells that child when the women is about 3-4 months pregnant. Then they whinge about how they can't get pregnant, go on IVF, and have the Government and taxpayer fork out money to help them become parents.
They need to be told that if they and have abortion after abortion, they may never be parents.