Originally posted by soleran30
yeah exactly and I am not for making abortions illegal as a whole but I am for people taking responsibility for their actions.Hey I mean you live in a country where healthcare is "paid" by the govt here it isn't and if someone needs it then I say yeah if they are being irresposible then I say ok yeah but make them pay.
That's fair enough in my eyes. You are saying you don't care what their reasons are but if it's birth control, you believe they should have the right to it as long as it's funded by them? I can agree to that if that's what you're saying, because you're not trying to remove a choice, you're just saying you don't wish to pay for it.
Originally posted by Makedde
I think people should have the right to tell people to take responsiblity.
You're wrong, quite simply. You have no responsibility over anyone else but yourself and your kids (if you have them). Fact, deal with it.
Originally posted by Makedde
Pretty soon, we will be a nation of idiots.
Not too tuned in with the world as of 2006 are you?
-AC
Pretty much my piece on abortion personally is I am against it but we shouldn't make it illegal either. If a woman needs it for medical reasons we should take care of her. If she decides for whatever reason otherwise she should pay.
The whole trimester comes into play with morality and its a small piece as well for instance...........
3rd trimester for me at least no abortion unless medical conditions.
The rest is pretty open for me cuz if you get to the 3rd trimester you better know what you want by then.
The issue there is, if by the 3rd trimester they still want it, it's up to them if they wanna have it or not, even still.
I also don't buy this "We should". I care about me, my family, my friends and in general people I love. Couldn't honestly give two shakes at what anyone else does with their life. You get one chance on Earth, live it how you want as long as you don't hurt anyone, and abortion isn't.
-AC
Originally posted by soleran30
Pretty much my piece on abortion personally is I am against it but we shouldn't make it illegal either. If a woman needs it for medical reasons we should take care of her. If she decides for whatever reason otherwise she should pay.
I would support abortion, within reason, if the woman actually paid for it. As it is, the taxpayer pays for it. I don't like my hard earned taxes going toward ridding the result of another persons stupidity. I'd be okay with women having abortions if they paid for it. I find having to pay for them sickening, because I know there are many people who don't agree with abortion, but they are made to pay for it. Many women who have abortions will be able to afford their own abortion, easily, why should they be exempt from paying? I say make them pay, even if it is only half the ammount.
Contraception is cheaper than abortion, they may think about having unprotected sex if they know they will have to pay the cost of their own abortion.
This wouldn't remove a choice, AC, but it might make women think before they act.
Originally posted by Makedde
I would support abortion, within reason, if the woman actually paid for it. As it is, the taxpayer pays for it. I don't like my hard earned taxes going toward ridding the result of another persons stupidity. I'd be okay with women having abortions if they paid for it. I find having to pay for them sickening, because I know there are many people who don't agree with abortion, but they are made to pay for it. Many women who have abortions will be able to afford their own abortion, easily, why should they be exempt from paying? I say make them pay, even if it is only half the ammount.Contraception is cheaper than abortion, they may think about having unprotected sex if they know they will have to pay the cost of their own abortion.
This wouldn't remove a choice, AC, but it might make women think before they act.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The issue there is, if by the 3rd trimester they still want it, it's up to them if they wanna have it or not, even still.I also don't buy this "We should". I care about me, my family, my friends and in general people I love. Couldn't honestly give two shakes at what anyone else does with their life. You get one chance on Earth, live it how you want as long as you don't hurt anyone, and abortion isn't.
-AC
maybe you don't but that doesn't mean it removes value from society. Abortion has repurcusions and that impacts everyone.
It doesn't affect me, Sol. I'm not hurt by what a woman does to her body, nothing to do with me.
Originally posted by Makedde
I would support abortion, within reason, if the woman actually paid for it. As it is, the taxpayer pays for it. I don't like my hard earned taxes going toward ridding the result of another persons stupidity. I'd be okay with women having abortions if they paid for it. I find having to pay for them sickening, because I know there are many people who don't agree with abortion, but they are made to pay for it. Many women who have abortions will be able to afford their own abortion, easily, why should they be exempt from paying? I say make them pay, even if it is only half the ammount.
Ahh, the old jump ship routine. So an idea comes forth that you can escape with and you attach yourself to it's underbelly.
You'd support it within reason? We know what those reasons are though don't we? Ones that you agree with, and I'm sorry but it doesn't work like that. If the woman is paying, that just pushes you even further out of the right to say anything than you already are.
Originally posted by Makedde
Contraception is cheaper than abortion, they may think about having unprotected sex if they know they will have to pay the cost of their own abortion.This wouldn't remove a choice, AC, but it might make women think before they act.
There you go again, ulterior motive. Now your stance is "I don't care what they do if they pay" so you've thrown all your past beliefs and even more of your credibility out the window in one go, whilst at the same time trying to weave a way in to make suggestions and changes where you aren't entitled to.
If your belief is that they can do WHATEVER they want with abortion if they pay for it, then fine with me.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It doesn't affect me, Sol. I'm not hurt by what a woman does to her body, nothing to do with me.Ahh, the old jump ship routine. So an idea comes forth that you can escape with and you attach yourself to it's underbelly.
You'd support it within reason? We know what those reasons are though don't we? Ones that you agree with, and I'm sorry but it doesn't work like that. If the woman is paying, that just pushes you even further out of the right to say anything than you already are.
There you go again, ulterior motive. Now your stance is "I don't care what they do if they pay" so you've thrown all your past beliefs and even more of your credibility out the window in one go, whilst at the same time trying to weave a way in to make suggestions and changes where you aren't entitled to.
If your belief is that they can do WHATEVER they want with abortion if they pay for it, then fine with me.
-AC
You really are pathetic. I can't wait until you get your girlfriend pregnant, and she goes and has an abortion at 5-6 months. Lets see you shrug your shoulders and take on an 'I don't care' attitude then.
Originally posted by Makedde
You really are pathetic. I can't wait until you get your girlfriend pregnant, and she goes and has an abortion at 5-6 months. Lets see you shrug your shoulders and take on an 'I don't care' attitude then.
You really are a hypocrite. Talking out of both sides of your mouth as Soleran and I have already spotted. This is becoming increasingly provable. Unlike you, I care about people I love and in a situation that has them in a worse position than I, agreeing or not, I would want what's best for them. More importantly, what THEY think is best for them.
You're just a selfish, pretentious and patronising moron with no sense of balance or fairness.
-AC
Re: Re: Abortion
Originally posted by DiamondBullets
"What if she was raped and the baby just reminds her of it?"^Boo-fukking-hoo, it still aint the baby's fault.
As much as I don't agree with abortion, I'd think that forcing a rape victim to have a baby would do an awful lot of damage to her state of mind. She'd never recover. Being forced to keep her rapists baby would be liked being raped all over again.
Bullets, you're seriously proposing a pregnancy out of rape should be kept? Frightening.
Originally posted by Makedde
I am not selfish. You didn't answer my question. I am sure you'd feel pretty pissed off if your girlfriend just suddenly decided for her own selfish reasons she didn't want a baby anymore. Like hell you wouldn't care.
Now you're resorting to telling me I wouldn't care? Most desperate of all retorts. I did answer your question, I said whether I agree or not, I love the people in my life that are already here and if that was a decision she wanted to make, then I would support her choice.
You are selfish, you're all about what you want, not what women want for themselves, which is what this is about. Don't wanna pay? Fine, I can accept that, but let's be real shall we? You'd b*tch, piss and moan even if you never had to pay a penny, because you're one of those.
-AC