Abortion

Originally posted by Makedde
So I should just say that abortion isn't murder, even though I disagree?

is it comprehensible.....

I agree. You can't say something and not agree with what you say.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
She's not the only one who sees it as murder.

How about if I walked up to you and b*tch slapped you so hard you died?

Would that be an "immoral killing" or murder? (the asinine thought that one is better than the other confounds me.)

In that rather odd scenario, it wouldn't be murder. So, yep, immoral killing.

This is the point, murder is a strict legal test. It doesn't just mean 'some killing that I think is really bad, therefore I will refer to it as murder, even though the term means something very specific'.

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
nothing else to say, said what I had to....for now.

Great.

Originally posted by Makedde
So I should just say that abortion isn't murder, even though I disagree?

Square one- every other square has a snake leading back here.

I think I make a valid point.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
She's not the only one who sees it as murder.

How about if I walked up to you and b*tch slapped you so hard you died?

Would that be an "immoral killing" or murder? (the asinine thought that one is better than the other confounds me.)

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
nothing else to say, said what I had to....for now. I mean you're saying the same exact things that AC does, and there's no point in me going down the same road with a different person.

is it comprehensible.....

Originally posted by Makedde
So I should just say that abortion isn't murder, even though I disagree?

Originally posted by StyleTime
Quite comical way to die, but it's not murder.

It would be manslaughter...

Whatever.

Let's say I pre-meditated it.

I thought about killing him for 3 days, and then watched him walk home, tracked his route, and killed him on the third day.

(we can stick with me b*tch slapping him and add a shout of "for the unborn!"😉

That would be murder.

You are devaluing my point.

Me doing that to you and a woman finding out she's pregnant and having an abortion is the same deal.

You are not any more or less of a human being because you are born and they are in a womb.

As I said, you can continue to say so, but your voice will become more and more faint as the people rise up in anger while their country is hijacked from them.

(and as much as you would like to think otherwise, it's the Christians who have been in the cross-hairs for quite a few years now)

It has already begun...

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Whatever.

Let's say I pre-meditated it.

Well, the law says that a premeditated killing is a killing that is planned, days or weeks in advance. Women plan to have an abortion, don't they, so I would have to think that is premeditated.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Whatever.

Let's say I pre-meditated it.

I thought about killing him for 3 days, and then watched him walk home, tracked his route, and killed him on the third day.

(we can stick with me b*tch slapping him and add a shout of "for the unborn!"😉

That would be murder.

You are devaluing my point.

It's not exactly swimming in liquid gold to start with.

It still wouldn't be murder, because a 'bitchslap'- to borrow from the same technical taxonomy- wouldn't generally be capable of causing death. Manslaughter at best.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
It's not exactly swimming in liquid gold to start with.

It still wouldn't be murder, because a 'bitchslap'- to borrow from the same technical taxonomy- wouldn't generally be capable of causing death. Manslaughter at best.

And reiterating what AC has says does no one any good, b/c he didn't change my mind and hearing the same thing from anyone else will do nothing to change my mind.

is it comprehensible.....

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
the b!tch slapping part is irrelevent, the point is he killed you.

No, that's not the point. The point is that it's not murder.

Although apparently the point isn't comprehensible.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
No, that's not the point. The point is that it's not murder.

Although apparently the point isn't comprehensible.

That's what you took from it.

so it wasn't comprehensible for you.

is it comprehensible.....

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
No, that's not the point. The point is that it's not murder.

Although apparently the point isn't comprehensible.

We may not agree, but we can both agree that was funny.

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
the b!tch slapping part is irrelevent, the point is he killed you.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Although apparently the point isn't comprehensible.

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
And reiterating what AC has says does no one any good, b/c he didn't change my mind and hearing the same thing from anyone else will do nothing to change my mind.

is it comprehensible.....

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
That's not the point he was trying to get across though.

That's what you took from it.

Well then please do explain exactly what 'What if I bitchslapped you and killed you?' added to the thread.

Sounds intriguing.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Well then please do explain exactly what 'What if I bitchslapped you and killed you?' added to the thread.

Sounds intriguing.

The original point was if I killed you, premeditated... it would be murder.

In my opinion, having an abortion is the same, as you are planning to kill the baby.

I believe it to be just as human as you, only in a different environment.

I don't subscribe to the "fetuses are not human lives until born" theory.

Anyway, we all kinda know where we stand, so I won't bring it up again,.....

And I admit the "bitchslap" idea was silly and poorly-worded,(guess I was a little frustrated 😮 ) and I agree it should be dropped...

*edit*

Originally posted by sithsaber408
The original point was if I killed you, premeditated... it would be murder.

In my opinion, having an abortion is the same, as you are planning to kill the baby.

I believe it to be just as human as you, only in a different environment.

I don't subscribe to the "fetuses are not human lives until born" theory.

Anyway, we all kinda know where we stand, so I won't bring it up again,.....

And I admit the "bitchslap" idea was silly and poorly-worded,(guess I was a little frustrated 😮 ) and I agree it should be dropped...

It's not that they are not human, it's that they are not independent beings. While they are dependent on the mother factually, they are legally treated as a part of her.

Anyway, you believe that abortion is wrong because it's killing a baby/foetus, and this is abhorrent to you. That's all you need.

If a woman has an abortion and her fetus could easily survive outside the womb, why can't it be murder? I understand what the law says, and facts and all, but if the child is perfectly capable of living, without the mothers help, and she kills it, why isn't this manslaughter, at least?