I have a question for those who are against abortion: would you be willing to live under a strict dictatorship where you had no rights whatsoever?
When you say that life is more important than a woman's right to choose, then you essentially say that life is more important than freedom. There are those who are willing to believe that, but not everyone does. People who have attempted to force others to conform to their ideas often are met with violent uprisings.
It has begun!!! ("mortal kombat!"😉
Originally posted by crazylozerno i wouldn't like to live with no rights.
I have a question for those who are against abortion: would you be willing to live under a strict dictatorship where you had no rights whatsoever?When you say that life is more important than a woman's right to choose, then you essentially say that life is more important than freedom. There are those who are willing to believe that, but not everyone does. People who have attempted to force others to conform to their ideas often are met with violent uprisings.
obviously.
is it comprehensible.....
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's their fault for opening their legs?
Yes it is. Women have choices. They choose who they have sex with, they chose whether or not to use contraception. If they chose to have unprotected sex, and get pregnant, it IS their own fault. That unborn baby never had to exist. It wouldn't have existed if contraception was used.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So by your rationale, nobody should have sex unless they are prepared to birth a child.
I don't agree. Have sex as often as you like, but use protection. Women can prevent a baby by using protection, but they don't. Their baby didn't ask to be there, but the woman put it there through her own selfishness, and now has the power to kill it because she doesn't want it? Well, if you didn't want it in the first place, why the hell didn't you prevent it's existence?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Couldn't care any less about who agrees with you because I've already decided that Makedde is stupid for trying to deny a fact
And I have decided that you are a selfish human being, too.
So it's a fact that abortion is not murder, right? Well, gay marriage is illegal in most parts on the US. If I were to say that gay people should be able to get married, knowing it is a FACT that they can't, would you tell me that my opinion is wrong?
I don't appriciate being called stupid. You don't know me, therefore you have no right to judge.
Originally posted by crazylozer
I have a question for those who are against abortion: would you be willing to live under a strict dictatorship where you had no rights whatsoever?When you say that life is more important than a woman's right to choose, then you essentially say that life is more important than freedom. There are those who are willing to believe that, but not everyone does. People who have attempted to force others to conform to their ideas often are met with violent uprisings.
Life is important. Our own lives are important, and any life WE create on our own is important, and just as valuable as any other life, unborn or born.
When women have abortions, they kill a life. So women who have abortions obviously believe that their freedom to do whatever the hell they want is far more important than a life they created.
Originally posted by MakeddeSo it's a fact that abortion is not murder, right? Well, gay marriage is illegal in most parts on the US. If I were to say that gay people should be able to get married, knowing it is a FACT that they can't, would you tell me that my opinion is wrong?
It is somewhere in this tangle of logic that you are getting lost.
The correct analogy would be if you were to say 'gay marriage is illegal, but in my opinion gay people can legally get married'.
They can't, because it's illegal.
To say abortion is murder when it is factually not, is wrong.
Originally posted by Makedde
That is basically saying my opinion on abortion is wrong. Don't I have the freedom to think that abortion is murder?
People have explained this to you countless times, so I truly don't know what you need to hear.
You do have the freedom to think that; but it is thinking that a fact is wrong. It's a little bit pointless.
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
People have explained this to you countless times, so I truly don't know what you need to hear.You do have the freedom to think that; but it is thinking that a fact is wrong. It's a little bit pointless.
I just like being told my opinion is wrong. I have always been told that there is no right or wrong opinion, that everyones opinion is the right one, no matter who disagrees, and no matter what is fact.
Oh well. I don't like being called stupid eithor. Just because my opinion may be 'wrong' in your eyes, certainly doesn't mean I am stupid.
I direct that to AC.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The foetus hasn't got a say in the matter because it hasn't got the capacity, ability or anything else that's required to have a say. It is 100% dependent on the mother to keep it alive.
Not true. For the first 5 1/2 months the fetus depends entirley on the mother to keep it alive, but after the fetus is viable, it doesn't need to rely soley on the mother. It can be born alive, and live, outside the womb, with no help from the mother. Fetus's only depend on their mother for about half the pregnancy. They can be born at 6 months and survive, having no need to depend on the mother.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No "people" are dying with abortion, first of all.
Two lives walk into an abortion clinic. Only one life comes out.
Originally posted by Makedde
I just like being told my opinion is wrong. I have always been told that there is no right or wrong opinion, that everyones opinion is the right one, no matter who disagrees, and no matter what is fact.
That's not correct though. You can't just hide behind the term opinion and hope it will negate a fact.
If you truly think all opinions are equal, and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't if you were to think about it, next time you have a medical problem, why visit the doctor? Get your newsagent's opinion.
Originally posted by Victor Von Doomthe only reason you all are terming it a "fact" is become a group of people got together and said it was.
That's not correct though. You can't just hide behind the term opinion and hope it will negate a fact.If you truly think all opinions are equal, and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't if you were to think about it, next time you have a medical problem, why visit the doctor? Get your newsagent's opinion.
That really means nothing.
One day some people may get together and change their minds and say that it isn't fact anymore.
It's not like it's a natural part of life for it to be a fact, as if it was always this way before we even existed.
Human beings deemed it so and Human beings made a mistake and the fact that they decided to make all of these rules based on what THEY THINK means nothing.
I'm basing it on what I think now.
is it comprehensible.....
Originally posted by powerfulone1987
the only reason you all are terming it a "fact" is become a group of people got together and said it was.One day some people may get together and change their minds and say that it isn't fact anymore.
True. Years ago, before Roe vs Wade, abortion was illegal, so having the opinion that abortion is murder was correct back then. Believing it wasn't murder was wrong, that was the wrong opinion to have.
Then the law changed, and abortion became legal, because the courts decided it wasn't murder at all. Now, it is wrong to hold the opinion that abortion is murder, when that may have been the very opinion you held when abortion WAS considered to be murder.
People once had the correct opinion, then, after a court battle, they ended up with the wrong opinion.
I don't like that...first your opinion is the right opinion, then it is the wrong opinion...this is why I believe that all opinions are correct, because years ago, your opinion that abortion is murder WAS correct. It isn't correct now because of Roe vs Wade.
Originally posted by powerfulone1987
the only reason you all are terming it a "fact" is become a group of people got together and said it was.That really means nothing.
One day some people may get together and change their minds and say that it isn't fact anymore.
Yes, it won't be a fact anymore.
It won't be a fact anymore.
It won't be...get it?
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Well, there are many more out there than my mother, but you can believe what you want, that's your right.
Perhaps there are, but they do not represent the vast majority of women in this situation.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Point of fact, since I was born when she was 23, my mother retiring at 45 had nothing to do with her being able to raise me. She had many years of hard work that she put into raising me. Again, don't disrespect her by saying that she didn't do an awesome job of handling her responsiblities by raising me as a single mother.
Your mother having the means to retire 20 years earlier than the age of retirement has everything to do with her having the means to raise a child on her own.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
And you may not agree, but.... 40% of 14 year old girls should be in shcool, learning, playing sports, or band, or cheerleading, or whatever.Not having sex.
People should floss daily and wash their hands before every meal, but the do not. What 40% of 14 year old girls should be doing does not change what 40% of 14 year old girls are doing.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
And, as many of the parents of those girls would help them raise a child so that they could go onto college and get good jobs, it is beside the point.
The grandparents should be trusted to help raise the grandchild because they did such a good job raising their own child, right?
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Now we have moved from "It's a womans right to sleep with whoever she wants and not have to keep a baby... its' her body!!!"...to..."If the poor girls have the babies, they will be destitute,.. penniless in the streets!!!"So then why all of the fuss about parental notification?
I thought that was for stopping parents who wouldn't let them have the abortions and would want them to keep the babies?
So are these girls alone and destitute, or do they have help and support?
(and isn't either position a little helpless? Too inexperienced and immature for sex anyway?)
The situation is not a dichotomy. Some girls will be given familial support, others will not.
Parental notification only serves to allow parents to enforce abortion or pregnancy against the will of their daughter.