Abortion

Originally posted by sithsaber408
And I admit the "bitchslap" idea was silly and poorly-worded,(guess I was a little frustrated 😮 ) and I agree it should be dropped...

Originally posted by Makedde
If a woman has an abortion and her fetus could easily survive outside the womb, why can't it be murder? I understand what the law says, and facts and all, but if the child is perfectly capable of living, without the mothers help, and she kills it, why isn't this manslaughter, at least?

Originally posted by StyleTime
The fetus is considered a part of the mother I believe. It would be akin to removing a mole from your face.

Fair enough, but what about partial birth abortion, where the baby is all but removed from the mother, the head still inside, baby is stabbed in the head and the brains sucked out. If the childs arms and legs are outside the mother, and only the head left inside, is the baby still a part of the mother?

Originally posted by Makedde
Fair enough, but what about partial birth abortion, where the baby is all but removed from the mother, the head still inside, baby is stabbed in the head and the brains sucked out. If the childs arms and legs are outside the mother, and only the head left inside, is the baby still a part of the mother?

Makedde, you have the attention span of a goldfish. Fecking hell.

I know for a fact this has come up before, and it was you that raised it.

In that case, it's not murder because it's a lawful procedure. If it were not, it may be murder, depending. In that scenario, the baby may still be breathing dependently, as it is not fully born. If so, it wouldn't be murder.

Christ, is the tag of murder really this important?

Killing of a baby! Terrible!

Call them babykillers if it's the shock impact that is wanted.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Makedde, you have the attention span of a goldfish. Fecking hell.

😆

In my opinion Abortion is something I have never really thought much about to be honest.I were just browsing through and found that post funny 😆

Originally posted by Makedde
Fair enough, but what about partial birth abortion, where the baby is all but removed from the mother, the head still inside, baby is stabbed in the head and the brains sucked out. If the childs arms and legs are outside the mother, and only the head left inside, is the baby still a part of the mother?

It is gross though. 😘

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom

Christ, is the tag of murder really this important?

Killing of a baby! Terrible!

Call them babykillers if it's the shock impact that is wanted.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Makedde, you have the attention span of a goldfish. Fecking hell.

I only bought it up because the abortion didn't occur in the womb. I never said murder, though, did I? 😆

Originally posted by K.Diddy
😆

In my opinion Abortion is something I have never really thought much about to be honest.I were just browsing through and found that post funny 😆

So did I. 🙄 😆

Originally posted by Makedde
I only bought it up because the abortion didn't occur in the womb. I never said murder, though, did I? 😆

Goldfish taste good.

Originally posted by StyleTime
This is true and I failed to answer your question. Your question was "is it still a part of the mother?". To that I the answer is still legally yes.

Thank you, that is all I wanted to know.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Me doing that to you and a woman finding out she's pregnant and having an abortion is the same deal.

You are not any more or less of a human being because you are born and they are in a womb.

As I said, you can continue to say so, but your voice will become more and more faint as the people rise up in anger while their country is hijacked from them.

(and as much as you would like to think otherwise, it's the Christians who have been in the cross-hairs for quite a few years now)

[B]It has already begun... [/B]

The issue is not whether a fetus is human. Anything containing human DNA is human, from skin cells to finger nail clippings. The issue is when personhood begins. Since you are Christian, you will be interested to know that God considers personhood to begin after an infant is one month old:

Numbers 3:15

"Number the sons of Levi by their fathers' households, by their families; you shall only number every male from a month old and upward."

Kind of blows your entire argument out of the water.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The issue is when personhood begins.

And this is where we are divided.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE

Kind of blows your entire argument out of the water.

ooOOOHHH SNAP!

****ing nice.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Kind of blows your entire argument out of the water.

There is a difference between taking a census and saying "Only count the kids that are older than a month" and saying "Eh, they don't count as people until they're a month old."

Job 10:8-11

8 "Your hands shaped me and made me.
Will you now turn and destroy me?

9 Remember that you molded me like clay.
Will you now turn me to dust again?

10 Did you not pour me out like milk
and curdle me like cheese,

11 clothe me with skin and flesh
and knit me together with bones and sinews?

Job 10:18-19

18 "Why then did you bring me out of the womb?
I wish I had died before any eye saw me.

19 If only I had never come into being,
or had been carried straight from the womb to the grave!

😕

Originally posted by FeceMan
Hmmm. It's almost as if Job is saying that he "came into being" in the womb. Maybe even at conception.

Originally posted by Makedde
I don't agree. Have sex as often as you like, but use protection. Women can prevent a baby by using protection, but they don't. Their baby didn't ask to be there, but the woman put it there through her own selfishness, and now has the power to kill it because she doesn't want it? Well, if you didn't want it in the first place, why the hell didn't you prevent it's existence?

Sometimes people TRY to prevent it's existence and fail, so they have an abortion. Some people don't try and STILL have abortions, that I disagree with, but it happens and it's nothing to do with me.

Possibly the most laughable thing I've ever seen. More or less three pages of people trying to fight for their right to debate a fact (confused about that? Me too) and having to have it laid out as to why they're wrong, then still not getting it. This (to answer Makedde) is why I called you stupid. I've seen more spirit draining idiocy in this thread than I have in any thread.

If people accepted it wasn't murder (which is necessary), we can move on with discussing actual abortion.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Sometimes people TRY to prevent it's existence and fail, so they have an abortion. Some people don't try and STILL have abortions, that I disagree with, but it happens and it's nothing to do with me.

Possibly the most laughable thing I've ever seen. More or less three pages of people trying to fight for their right to debate a fact (confused about that? Me too) and having to have it laid out as to why they're wrong, then still not getting it. This (to answer Makedde) is why I called you stupid. I've seen more spirit draining idiocy in this thread than I have in any thread.

If people accepted it wasn't murder (which is necessary), we can move on with discussing actual abortion.

-AC

Yep, AC's back. 🙄

Would you prefer I only join in debates on your side, then? Or not at all?

I know the answer to both is most likely yes, but that's what we call tough shit. You just took up three pages of this thread (and countless others) because you have a severe lack of ability to understand and comprehend things, don't be so hypocritical as to whine when I reply to you with on topic and then some.

So if you'd like to reply to the on topic part, if you have anything more to say, we can continue this debate and perhaps salvage something.

-AC

Originally posted by StyleTime
It's almost as if Job asked to be aborted. As if he wished he'd died before "any eye saw" him.