Abortion

Listen, I'm still not completely sure on the subject anyway. I hear things and they alter my own opinions. But that's my opinion. I don't know if I'll ever know what it's like to be raped, and I'm not being insensitive, but I think every child deserves a chance for life, whether they asked for it or not.

ye and every woman deserves the right to choose whether she gives up 9 months of her life for a child she does not want. Just because you choose not to does not mean you or anyone else should take that choice away from other women.

pr1983> Mind telling me how "Ehrm...what's your point?" constitutes an insult?
Just because you can't argue your case, doesn't mean someone who can "rants like a lunatic". Isn't that rather insulting to accuse someone of doing?
Just because some people agree with me on a topic, doesn't mean I can't ask them for a point.

Naybean> Exactly!

All> Okay, so some are against abortions. Some are not. If you're against abortions would you try to prevent a woman who wishes to terminate an unwanted pregnancy from doing so?

Not whilst it is legal for her to do so. But I would be sympathetic to efforts to change or modify the parameters of that law.

As I mentioned a long time ago, the situation in which I believe it is right to override the woman's choice is if it is murder. Some people don't believe it is murder and some do, but that is the crux of the point for me- hence, choice is irrelevant. If it is not murder, then it is not even an issue. If it is murder, then even her own choice cannot make that right.

I am pro-life. Life is something that should not be taken for granted. By having an abortion, you have ended a life before it had a chance to live.

omega you took my words way out of context, i'm sorry if u were offended, phoenix was commenting on your previous post, thats all, i just figured maybe u overreacted, she was just using a different example to reiterate her point, thats all. i apologise if u were insulted, that was not my intention.

i'm against abortion. I believe that it's murder. If you didn't want a child you should've been smart enough to A) Use a Condom, B)Take Birth Control, or C) No have Sex until you were ready to have children.

And in the case of rape or incest?

very good Backfire. But i still believe there are other ways to handle the situation than killing an innocent child. For example you could put it up for adoption

And what if the mother is in danger of dying from the pregnancy?

Also, I don't know about you, but I think most people would not like to have a constant reminder of their rape experience every time they look down and see the seed of the rapist growing inside of them.

With incest it isn't as easy as just "putting it up for adoption". When incest takes place there is a good chance that the child should be extremely handicaped.

I agree that abortion should not be used as birth control, but there are definately times when it is reasonable.

Originally posted by BackFire
And what if the mother is in danger of dying from the pregnancy?

Also, I don't know about you, but I think most people would not like to have a constant reminder of their rape experience every time they look down and see the seed of the rapist growing inside of them.

With incest it isn't as easy as just "putting it up for adoption". When incest takes place there is a good chance that the child should be extremely handicaped.

I agree that abortion should not be used as birth control, but there are definately times when it is reasonable.

yes i do agree to some extent. I do understand that women would no want to be reminded of the rapist. Believe i know.

And if the mother is in danger of dying from the prenancy then yes she should have an abortion. But going back on the rape subject, if i became pregnant after i was raped, i couldn't kill the child. It's not its fault that i was raped. I just couldn't kill an innocent child like that.

That's all well and good, but there are plenty of people who could and would. And they should be allowed to.

and they are allowed to obviously. I am just saying that i am against abortion. I mean like you said, If the mother might die because of the child, then yes she should have an abortion, but i think that's the only time it should be allowed.

my view on abortion is pretty simple. if youre against abortions, you dont have to get one! but that gives you no right to take the option away from other women just because you believe it is unethical, based on your morals.

I have said it before and I will say it again: No government has the right to force you to go through something as potentially dangerous and painful as pregnancy. I know from experience what it can do to women, and it is their absolute right to do what they feel is best for their own lives.

I believe that abortion clinics keep records of women that had an abortion done. Here is something that might suit the discussion. If a woman wants to have an abortion the records should indicated if she done it once or more than once. If a woman has done an abortion more than once (i.e. 4 to 8 times) then a law must be apply here. Charge the woman double or triple the amount for an abortion. Because is quite obvious that she rather waste more money in an abortion than buying a condom. And if you gonna come at me with the "rape" case then that woman should just buy a gun and blast the rapist to pieces. As a matter a fact that's a great idea! Free guns for women! Shoot the bastard and ask questions later.

Pr> I’m European, hence not easily insulted. I MERELY asked Phoenix what THE point of her post was, as I couldn’t see it.

Delicious1> No contraception is 100% safe. Accidents happen. And the crap about not having sex before you want children: WELCOME TO THE 21st CENTURY. You can’t control human hormones… We’ve had sex since homo sapiens began (SURPRISE), and will be having it until we die out.
And a foetus is NOT “an innocent child.”

No one here is arguing for abortion as birth-control! But during this debate it’s become blatantly clear that sex-ed is lacking at its best in some parts of the US for example. One forumite took as an example a mother who told her daughter “No, you can’t get pregnant, you’re only 14.”

No one is arguing for using abortions in the 7th month or something. Abortions usually take place within the first 8 weeks, when there’s only a cluster of cells an not a “kewt lil cuddly baby” in miniature form.

I use to think nothing of it when someone got an abortion, but as i got older and saw how some people were against it, i don't know what to think of it. For one, you are killing a person, or soon to be person, and on the other, they are not born yet, so is it really killing, do they feel anything, are they conscious?

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
I use to think nothing of it when someone got an abortion, but as i got older and saw how some people were against it, i don't know what to think of it.

Well I tried to explain after I wrote it what i meant. I feel nothing is wrong with not having your mind made up about something at times, it gives you times to think and rethink how you really feel about it.

Why are you always attacking me?