Originally posted by StyleTime
Well, the pro choice side is the resolution. No compromising of beliefs for any party. No one's rights are infringed upon. Everyone is allowed their personal freedoms. It is the only sensible resolution.
is it? Hmm not following that one, there can be a number of solutions for any given "problem."
Originally posted by sithsaber408
You win, abortion is good. A choice by a selfish, simplistic person is more important than the life of an innocent child.1.) live
2.)no. Some wars are necessary, despite the loss of human life.
3.) Of course not. Hitler was doing evil and needed stopping, sound familiar?
True, the governments are doing shit about the poor, hungry people in less developed areas of the world which is sad, un-neccessary, and inexcusable. 😒
(kinda like abortion, or the removing of God from money, pledges, monuments, etc... that the government allows.)
Again, you missed the point of my post. A foetus is not equal to a child.
So any woman who has an abortion is a selfish simplistic person are they? Ok, assume this: a brilliant woman (like 1 in 20 billion brilliant) is working on research on to cure AIDS. She has sex one night, and even though her partner was protected, the contraceptive was defective. She becomes pregnant. So as a responsible selfless person, she raises her child and she dies. But wait. If she hadn't had the child, she would have come up with a cure, which would have saved millions, including innocent people. Hmm...
Or how about another one. Single mother is raising a child. They get by, but just barely. Again, after one night, she becomes pregnant. Then what, she has to work much harder to support her family, scrapes by even more desperately, and the first child may not receive the love and care he would have received otherwise. Such a life isn't exactly condusive to creating a healthy person. His LIFE is not what it could be, and he was innocent too.
Adoption of course is an option, but why adopt a child who isn't in danger of dying when there are those whose lives could be saved? Maybe we should care about those who are alive before those who aren't.
1) Somehow, that doesn't seem like the option that many others would take. ANY revolution or rebellion that's taken place in history happened because the populace was not content to live under the harsh government. There's a reason why it is nearly always the poor and downtrodden who rise up. But back to you. So you'd be willing to give up believing in God? You'd be willing to damn yourself, as well as everyone you know to hell? You'd take away the choice of your friends and family to decide how they want to live their lives? You'd be willing to eat gruel and drink sewage for the rest of your life? You'd be willing to be tortured, beaten to within an inch of your life, but not be killed? Life is more important than everything according to you...
2) Why are wars necessary? You said life is more important than anything.
3) Who are you to say what is good and evil? It all boils down to judgement.
[total f****** bs]
Well, if the Jews had given up their religion, ran far away and given up their homes until they established themselves as Christians, Hitler wouldn't have to kill them. And if they hadn't been so selfish, and if the free world wasn't so selfish about keeping their rights, then they could have prevented a lot of death. [/total f****** bs]
Originally posted by crazylozer
Again, you missed the point of my post. A foetus is not equal to a child.So any woman who has an abortion is a selfish simplistic person are they? Ok, assume this: a brilliant woman (like 1 in 20 billion brilliant) is working on research on to cure AIDS. She has sex one night, and even though her partner was protected, the contraceptive was defective. She becomes pregnant. So as a responsible selfless person, she raises her child and she dies. But wait. If she hadn't had the child, she would have come up with a cure, which would have saved millions, including innocent people. Hmm...
Or how about another one. Single mother is raising a child. They get by, but just barely. Again, after one night, she becomes pregnant. Then what, she has to work much harder to support her family, scrapes by even more desperately, and the first child may not receive the love and care he would have received otherwise. Such a life isn't exactly condusive to creating a healthy person. His LIFE is not what it could be, and he was innocent too.
That's your opinion.
Stop playing "what if" games.
I can do the same thing going the other way.
Let's deal with what we already have:
People killing people so that they can be free to acquire all the cock/booty that thier little hearts desire.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
That's your opinion.Stop playing "what if" games.
I can do the same thing going the other way.
Let's deal with what we already have:
People killing people so that they can be free to acquire all the cock/booty that thier little hearts desire.
I'm sorry, but I just couldn't help laughing at TEH IRON-E! You start the post with "That's your opinion" then finish it with "People killing people", which has been widely arguable.
But let's take a look at the flip sides of opinions shall we?
Abortions legal: religion still puts pressure on mothers, social pressure will still exist stemming from pro-lifers who don't accept the law, but those who have strong wills and are responsible enough to decide how to live their lives will be able to get abortions.
Abortions illegal: no matter what, even if the pregnancy is not their fault, total discouragement of pre-marital sex is enforced heavily.
And please, play the what if game with me. I'd like to see an example where abortion RUINS lives.
One rule for the game the game though: don't factor in social pressures that lead to certain outcomes i.e. suicide and depression. A lot of that comes from people like yourself drilling into people's minds that abortion = murder, which has been argued over the course of...30 pages?
Edit: Also, could you respond to the rest of my previous post?
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Im on the fence about abortion, but I really dont like the concept in general.
Truthfully, I would prefer for women to take preventative measures if they do not want a baby. However, we must recognize that women still have the right to do otherwise if they want to.
Originally posted by soleran30
still subjective🙂 Anyway I prefer to observe this thread, youth and bull headed opinions.................mine included🙂
Banning it compromises the beliefs of certain parties, infringes upon the rights of some, and denies people their personal freedoms. It is nonsensical to deny these freedoms by passing a law in a country that is supposed be a beacon for these very same ideals.
That does not seem sensible.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
LOL what?🤨
My point is that you are so against abortion because it ends a life. A life that has not begun, but that's secondary and semantics. Don't you have a girlfriend? I seem to recall you saying you did. A girlfriend who supports your POV? But, does she honestly support your position(no pun intended) on the nobility of life or does she refuse sex because you're the gentleman that doesn't ask for it? And when you get maried, do you intend to use contraception to prevent life from occuring, or do you intend to fill the world with children you will have issues supporting? (Now I sound like a skit from The Meaning of Life) But, seriously, at what point do you say "enough children are enough!"? Or is there never enough? Will you have a dozen kids and stop having sex at that point? Do you want a dozen kids running around or will you resort to contraception? Contraception is an odd undertaking given your perspective. You have male contraception like the condom. You have female contraception like the pill or the diaphragm. And you have operations like the vasectomy or female tubal ligation. Well, how is taking un-natural steps like contraception or sugery any different or better than abortion? When you jerk off, do you collect the seman and place it on an alter? Or do you just not masturbate? When one considers your arguments and the words you use to further it, you aren't really talking about abortion, you're talking about abstinence. You seem to think that if a couple can keep their feet on the ground that abortion would go away. (along with depression, suicide, etc) So, if you remove abstinence from the equation, all you're left with is killing? But how different is killing from prevention in this case? Do you masturbate? Do you use condoms during sex? Does your girlfriend use some form of contraception during sex? Likely not, considering your born again christian philosophy. So, you don't have sex? And when you get right down to it that's what this entire argument is all about for you people...sex...not death. Sex is evil and sex outside of marriage is the illustration of inability to control ones self...and more importantly the inability to control the impulse to have sex. Again, God's grand design is called into question. But, the catch in the christian philosophy is "free will" and seperation from nature. But, as I said earlier, free will is a moot point when one considers the supposed "divine" aspect of our creation. Or, is god just the big mad scientist in the sky watching all us rats trying to find the cheese in a maze?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It has no effect on you, though.You're just saying it does.
-AC
Abortion affects me, and those others who don't agree with it. We pay for it!!! Of course it affects us, we have to live with the knowledge that part of OUR hard earned cash goes toward ridding someone else's mistake. We are affected by it, every single day.
Originally posted by Makedde
Abortion affects me, and those others who don't agree with it. We pay for it!!! Of course it affects us, we have to live with the knowledge that part of OUR hard earned cash goes toward ridding someone else's mistake. We are affected by it, every single day.
I was referring to the stupid remark of "A third of my generation are gone..."
It doesn't impact anyone, least of all people like Sithsaber. If nobody told him that stat, his life wouldn't be bad. He wouldn't feel a void.
Second, don't act like monetary concerns are now your reason for speaking against abortions. You've flip-flopped enough.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I was referring to the stupid remark of "A third of my generation are gone..."It doesn't impact anyone, least of all people like Sithsaber. If nobody told him that stat, his life wouldn't be bad. He wouldn't feel a void.
Second, don't act like monetary concerns are now your reason for speaking against abortions. You've flip-flopped enough.
-AC
I have never liked the idea of paying for abortions, it is my right to say that, thank you.