Originally posted by sithsaber408
I agree with all parts of my religion.You are simply interpereting certain scriptures to mean things that you think neccesitates me being for or against certain political points of view.
Sperm in a condom is not fertilized with an egg, therefore, not a human creature that has been formed.
Spilling it is not the same as abortion, since a child is not formed yet.
Preventing human life is=stopping the conception of a human, which is not a killing, since nothing has yet been formed to be killed.
Ending human life is killing becuase ......
(needs no explantion, you know that ending a concieved life is killing)
Oh, I was hoping you'd say that.
Sperm in a condom is one half of the first step of life, and if there is no biological need to have sex and simply wanting to do it is an impulse you can control, then how can you go against the will of god and prevent life from forming? And if you support having sex with a condom as a means of enjoying sex outside of procreation, then how can you condemn homosexual sex when it isn't conducive to reproduction either?
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Oh, I was hoping you'd say that.Sperm in a condom is one half of the first step of life, and if there is no biological need to have sex and simply wanting to do it is an impulse you can control, then how can you go against the will of god and prevent life from forming? And if you support having sex with a condom as a means of enjoying sex outside of procreation, then how can you condemn homosexual sex when it isn't conducive to reproduction either?
Homosexual sex has nothing to do with abortion.
You are making some weak attempt to discredit me or any other person who claims to be Christian with an opinon on political issues.
I dont agree that condoms are the same as abortion.
As you say, sperm is one HALF of the first step of life, the egg is another.
Until joined, they are just cells. A woman's period or a man ejaculating is NOT the ending of a human life, as no human life has been formed.
Continue to play "lets take the next logical step" if you like, but the two things are not the same.
However, to be perfectly frank, we ARE going against God's will.
But our society has changed over the millenia, to make having the means to sustain a multiple-child family much more difficult to attain, and so people use the contraceptives.
We, in this case, have caved.
To the worlds time scale, to the pressures to get a full education, a house, and be accomplished before having children.
We are sinners too, saved by grace.
However, (speaking of the Conservative Christian married having protected sex group) we are prepared to accept the responsibilty of having a child and loving it and raising it, were the contraception to fail.
Homosexual sex is unnatural, has NO possibility of children, and.......
Is completly off topic.
Why am I even responding to this?
You're just blowing smoke, trying to make personal assumptions about my belief systems that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
trying to make personal assumptions about my belief systems that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Trying? I think I HAVE. And the only reason I have is because in every other topic you espouse this baby Jesus bullshit, making it clear that you are basing your opinion on your religion. So, I don't know who decided you should remove your religious beliefs from this thread, but they are your only reason for being in this thread or having an opinion on this issue at all. And when you agreed to remopve religion from teh discussion, you should have removed yourself from it as well. Because it's apparent that your religion is the crutch for your argument.
And cross thread hypocrisy is still hypocrisy.
I don't have issues with your religious beliefs until they interfere with my life. And I know you aren't personally doing anything to make life difficult for homosexuals or pregnant women, but you have said you certainly would if you could.
Originally posted by StyleTime
It's not just a belief. You nor I have the right to ban abortion.I read what you wrote. The fact remains that we do not have the right to ban it.
I was not talking what the majority ruled. I was talking about the right to ban abortion and specifically our lack of said right.
The difference in my "risk vs reward" is that it has nothing to do with the legality of abortion. It would be perfectly within the rights of the people(doctors) to adjust the prices. Risk vs Reward still has no place concering the allowance of abortion.
There is no fact about rights and banning abortions. Show me these facts I would like to read them just the facts though.
If you adjust the price and make it beyond "reasonable" you are essentially creating bias and those less fortunate cannot have abortions, alot of good that does for the people that "need" it according to your "belief" system. So risk vs reward is biased..............only the well enough to do can afford to have unprotected sex because only they can afford an abortion. Hmm on second thought maintain that thought, it will reduce abortions at least medically safe abortions.
But most importantly I just want to read your facts about abortions and banning them.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
I dont agree that condoms are the same as abortion.But our society has changed over the millenia,
I also do not think that condoms are the same as abortion.
society changes?!??!? But, that would mean that Christians are picking and choosing their religion? And..wow...wouldn't that bring us full circle back to my original point to you?
Sounds a lot like this god-given free will. So, why halt the progress of society or reverse it?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I have a question:You claimed the body has no natural need to f*ck, on what logic/facts/beliefs system do you base this? Because I understand such a claim to be bs.
-AC
Well, we have a sex drive, and "need" to pro-create, but we won't bust if we don't have sex.
We will have nocturnal emissions. (even past the age of 18 it still happens)
While people like to say "I should be able to have sex with whoever I want, when I want." .... they make it seem as though we are denying them food, water, or air if we say to wait until marriage.
Not true.
Show me one person who has been physically, biologically hurt by waiting till marriage.
You can't.
I however, can show millions upon millions of people with AIDS, herpes, pregnancies, abortions, death, disease, sickness, and so on that come from sex.
Maybe saying "you dont have a need to f*ck" was off, but saying
"You will be perfectly fine if you don't give into that need" is right on the money.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Trying? I think I HAVE. And the only reason I have is because in every other topic you espouse this baby Jesus bullshit, making it clear that you are basing your opinion on your religion. So, I don't know who decided you should remove your religious beliefs from this thread, but they are your only reason for being in this thread or having an opinion on this issue at all. And when you agreed to remopve religion from teh discussion, you should have removed yourself from it as well. Because it's apparent that your religion is the crutch for your argument.And cross thread hypocrisy is still hypocrisy.
I don't have issues with your religious beliefs until they interfere with my life. And I know you aren't personally doing anything to make life difficult for homosexuals or pregnant women, but you have said you certainly would if you could.
Show some respect there Cap.
I never call your point of view " the cum-guzzling, baby queer-boy bullshit."
My opinons of gay sex (unnatural biologically and not in line with natural selection) and of abortion (the killing of a human life that starts when sperm fertilizes an egg) may be REINFORCED for me, personally, by my religious beliefs, but you cannot use such knowlege of my beliefs to render me invalid in this, or any other debate.
ESPECIALLY when I have made the effort to leave them out.
You just want to drag them back into things because you don't like my point of view, and wish to silence me by trying to show that my points don't matter based on my faith.
BULLSHIT.
Maybe your points don't matter because you subscribe to whatever point of view puts the almighty human in control of his or her own life, and that way doesn't recognize "baby Jesus", whom you seem to have huge problems with.
Back on topic:
I am in this thread and have opinion on this issue due to my own personal experiences, and those of my family.
Who, in fact have had abortions, had children given up for adoption, and friends I know who waited for sex until marriage.
Just like in the homosexuality thread where I posted about the man who was gay for 20 years and set free by the Power of the Lord Jesus. (his words.)
The fact that those things happen to coincide with my personal beliefs just reinforces my faith, but those are the things that help me to develop my opinons.
I stand by my life's experiences, what I have been told and taught, and by my beliefs.
Good day, sir.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
I never call your point of view " the cum-guzzling, baby queer-boy bullshit."
If homosexuality was strictly based on eating cum or having sex with children, then you would be correct in calling it that. You can call it queer bullshit all you want.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
ESPECIALLY when I have made the effort to leave them out.You just want to drag them back into things because you don't like my point of view, and wish to silence me by trying to show that my points don't matter based on my faith.
BULLSHIT.
And I'm here to say that your position on teh issue can not be divorced from your faith. I'm not trying to silence you either. You can say anything you like. I'm just saying that I'll refute it and point out your hypocrisy through it all.
Originally posted by sithsaber408I don't have a problem with baby Jesus. I have a problem with the people who think they speak for him.
Maybe your points don't matter because you subscribe to whatever point of view puts the almighty human in control of his or her own life, and that way doesn't recognize "baby Jesus", whom you seem to have huge problems with.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Back on topic:Just like in the homosexuality thread where I posted about the man who was gay for 20 years and set free by the Power of the Lord Jesus. (his words.)
This is most likely a lie. Either the guy is lying to himself or to you. But, if baby Jesus "set him free", then he must be special. Because he doesn't do that for very many people. Be they gay or hungry or oppressed or...pregnant...or all of the above. A pregnant, hungry, lesbian in a communist country sounds like a job for baby Jesus, to me.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
The fact that those things happen to coincide with my personal beliefs just reinforces my faith
That's a coincidence of BIBLICAL proportions, isn't it?
Originally posted by sithsaber408
what I have been told and taught
There's no way you could have been misinformed?
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Well, we have a sex drive, and "need" to pro-create, but we won't bust if we don't have sex.We will have nocturnal emissions. (even past the age of 18 it still happens)
While people like to say "I should be able to have sex with whoever I want, when I want." .... they make it seem as though we are denying them food, water, or air if we say to wait until marriage.
Not true.
Show me one person who has been physically, biologically hurt by waiting till marriage.
You can't.
I however, can show millions upon millions of people with AIDS, herpes, pregnancies, abortions, death, disease, sickness, and so on that come from sex.
Maybe saying "you dont have a need to f*ck" was off, but saying
"You will be perfectly fine if you don't give into that need" is right on the money.
So basically you just said "Your body has no natural NEED to f*ck" because it sounded like it could boost your debate, despite you and everyone else knowing this to be factually incorrect? How idiotic.
I can also show you people who haven't been hurt by having sex before marriage, what are you getting at? You're using incredibly stupid rationale. Waiting for marriage is fine, nothing wrong with it. I personally find the belief to be archaic, but if people wanna do it then that is just fine with me.
However, pre-marital sex isn't guaranteeing you illness or disease, nor is it wrong, as you seem to believe. You preach about not knocking people who choose to wait for marriage, well don't knock people who choose not to. This bit cracked me up:
"While people like to say "I should be able to have sex with whoever I want, when I want." .... they make it seem as though we are denying them food, water, or air if we say to wait until marriage."
Who are you to tell anyone to wait till marriage? It's a choice. Waiting for marriage is a personal choice that you request be left void of any persecution or judgement. Therefore it is your duty to follow up that logic and standpoint by applying the exact same view to pre-marital sex beliefs, instead of trying to put it across as though you'll just be diseased and die. Your failure to do so exposes you as nothing more than a hypocrite.
-AC
Originally posted by soleran30
There is no fact about rights and banning abortions. Show me these facts I would like to read them just the facts though.
Originally posted by soleran30
There is no fact about rights and banning abortions. Show me these facts I would like to read them just the facts though.If you adjust the price and make it beyond "reasonable" you are essentially creating bias and those less fortunate cannot have abortions, alot of good that does for the people that "need" it according to your "belief" system. So risk vs reward is biased..............only the well enough to do can afford to have unprotected sex because only they can afford an abortion. Hmm on second thought maintain that thought, it will reduce abortions at least medically safe abortions.
He can fall back on religion all he wants. Our government was originally created on Christian morals (and of course other Enlightenment age thinking) by the founding fathers so I dont see why we should be afraid to continue to base our present situation off of its truths. The more we lose our bonds to faith the further we all fall towards the ultimate destruction of humanity. And beleive me, that time is coming much sooner than you might think. It has begun already, and our society itself is being eaten and eroded by immorality and insolence. It is time we as a whole take a step closer to saving the world and not make decisions leading to more death and destruction. And it is also time that we make a stand and stop people like you who are leading us down a road that will inadvertantly end in tragedy.