Originally posted by PrincessMary
Sorry, LU, I was talking to AC there. I know your opinions, and I agree with them.AC, if you honestly believe that holding the belief that abortion is murder is stupud, then you are obviously one idiotic human being who can't see beyond what the good old wonderful law tells him. Do you think that everyone who believes in God is stupid, simply because they can't prove he exists?
Not so much stupid as just plain wrong. It just isn't murder. Just isn't....like blue isn't green. It isn't.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't care if you think that really..it's just wrong.Kind of like thinking Homosexuality is a disease that has to be cured..sure you can think that...but you are wrong.
Or I could now decide that I believe that this keyboard I am looking at is in fact a snake...it's just my opinion..it is still WRONG. Understand?
I am bisexual, so NO i do NOT think homosexuality is a disease.
Please stop referring to me like im a conservative, bcuz i am not.
MURDER is by LAW defined under only few standards.
What do you say murder is ?
Killing in cold blood? calculated killing?
So killing for your own convienence is NOT murder ?
And either way, i never SAID my opinion was FACT...so you need to relax there.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Again how did i act stupid?You clearly did not read my post, i never said that my opinion of Abortion being murder in my eyes is FACT....i never said that.
How was i acting stupid?
By arguing that abortion is wrong despite believing that a woman has a right to choose whether or not to have one. Apparently, you do not believe that it is wrong enough, or you would not be Pro-Choice. This begs the question, "Why are you arguing the morality of abortion at all?"
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
By arguing that abortion is wrong despite believing that a woman has a right to choose whether or not to have one. Apparently, you do not believe that it is wrong enough, or you would not be Pro-Choice. This begs the question, "Why are you arguing the morality of abortion at all?"
I would be happy to answer this now that you ask politely, instead of calling me stupid, close minded, and all that bullshit.
I do think that Abortion is killing for convienence.
And then that killing for convienence is selfish and cruel.
What is selfish and cruel to me is wrong.
I am simply stating my OPINION on that matter....is my opinion absolute fact? NO...but neither is yours.
ah...there is the magic of this debate.
KNOWING that my opinion is MY OWN and should not be used to GOVERN a woman's choice, MEANS that i know i have NO RIGHT to force a woman into childbirth.
Therefore i wouldn't. I don't beleive in force.
But MY OPINION is still the same, and the fact that you are being pissy because nothing you say can change it, is what is indeed stupid.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
If i feel abortion is equal to murder, i have every right to think that.Did i claim it as fact? No..so wat is your problem ?
...and you wonder why I call you stupid? Why think it if you know it's not murder? It's not, facts say it's not, but you believe so anyway. That is stupidity.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Answer me this:Under circumstances where the woman's life is not in danger, and where she was not raped...she just slipped up...
Is abortion NOT killing for convience ?
Killing for convenience isn't murder though, unless it fits the definition. It's just, IF ANYTHING, immoral or frivolous.
Originally posted by Princess Mary
OMG will you listen to yourself? You honestly think that we should all think to ourselves, 'Well, I believe abortion is murder, but the law says it isn't, so now I won't think abortion to be murder anymore'. There is nothing wrong with holding the opinion that abortion is murder, okay? Get over it. We are not the ones hindering this thread with our opinions, you are the one hindering this thread, trying to force 'facts' donw our throats. We know they are facts, okay? We know it is a fact that abortion is not murder, okay? But you know what? WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE FACTS! We have the right to our opinions, whether you, or the law, like it or not.
"WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT FACTS!"
What an idiot. Facts are the truth and proven, you can't deny them. Believing the opposite makes you blind and stupid.
Fact says abortion isn't murder, so therefore it's not. End of argument. If you don't care about the facts, and instead, prefer to rely on emotion-induced blind prejudice, then don't sit there asking for respect.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
What do you say murder is ?Killing in cold blood? calculated killing?
So killing for your own convienence is NOT murder ?
Murder is a legal term and only a legal term, it's a TYPE of killing. That doesn't include killing for convenience as a whole.
Abortion is not involved with murder or vice versa. You ask what WE say murder is, we don't have the right to decide what murder is. Murder is what murder is defined as, and that doesn't apply to abortion.
FACT. Undeniable fact. You don't deserve respect with an attitude like that.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Murder is a legal term and only a legal term, it's a TYPE of killing. That doesn't include killing for convenience as a whole.Abortion is not involved with murder or vice versa. You ask what WE say murder is, we don't have the right to decide what murder is. Murder is what murder is defined as, and that doesn't apply to abortion.
FACT. Undeniable fact. You don't deserve respect with an attitude like that.
-AC
You see if you would have just given me your take on murder, or set me straight with this statement, instead of just throwing insults at me, this debate would have went somewhere.
I don't deserve respect? EVERYONE deserves respect on this thread who is not insulting someone.
YOU my freind do not deserve respect, because you do nothing but throw insults at people who disagree with you.
YOU deserve no respect, you violate forum rules by throwing insults.
Anyways people have said that you and PVS drove out most debators with your disrespect and obnoxious behavior, and reading your past posts i can EASILY see why so few people debate here.
That's what I said all along, you were the one ignoring it.
People say a lot of things here, buddy. Most of it is nonsense, hence why this thread reached upward of 300 pages.
I was here debating with all comers for a bulk of that. I'm not insulting you, you're insulted as a result.
I call you stupid because your actions are that of a stupid nature.
-AC
Okay look if you felt that i was ignoring your points by still saying that I beleive Abortion is Murder, than i am sorry.
i did not mean for you to feel disrespected or ignored. But my opinion stands the same.
I can easily say that you and PVS acted stupid by throwing childish insults at me.
Did you already make your point? I'm sure you did, but if you sugarcoat your point with insults, ALL i am going to SEE are the insults and i am going to MISS your point.
do you get it now ?
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
But my opinion stands the same.
WHY though? It's factually wrong. This is what I don't get, this is what's stupid.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I can easily say that you and PVS acted stupid by throwing childish insults at me.
It doesn't matter, if it's a who-will-look-worse contest, you're the one denying fact, blatantly and knowingly.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Did you already make your point? I'm sure you did, but if you sugarcoat your point with insults, ALL i am going to SEE are the insults and i am going to MISS your point.do you get it now ?
Yeah, you see what you want and ignore what make you look silly.
Just like most people in this thread.
-AC
WHY though? It's factually wrong. This is what I don't get, this is what's stupid.
Because Killing for convienence to me IS the same thing as murder.
Murder is a legal term only? People use murder to describe thier intepretations of what it is ALL THE TIME.
Fine dude..ill budge.
Abortion is not Murder by legal standards.
It is still unjustifiable killing, and is the closest thing to murder other than the death penalty.
I am NOT for it. End of story.
And as for who looks worse...no, you guys look like LOW LIVES throwing insults like that. It doesn't even matter if im wrong, and you are right. Your conduct almost destroys any validity in your arguments.
See what i want? I don't have to even RESPOND to insults. No one does. You need to grow up.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Because Killing for convienence to me IS the same thing as murder.
Astounding. I'll say it again:
It doesn't matter what YOU think it is. It is what it factually is, and that is NOT applicable to abortion.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Murder is a legal term only? People use murder to describe thier intepretations of what it is ALL THE TIME.
Yes, they're wrong though. Murder has a strict legal definition, it's just a legal term. It's definition does not apply to abortion.
I have said this to about 20 people, over and over. There's always someone coming through who literally cannot grasp that.
"But I think..." no, it's not murder.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Abortion is not Murder by legal standards.
Which is, of course and in actuality, the only standards there are. Other people invent standards for it, but they aren't factual. Factually, undeniably, it's not murder. Said it three times to you now, in this post.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
It is still unjustifiable killing, and is the closest thing to murder other than the death penalty.
The death penalty isn't murder, it's legal.
Murder is ONLY a legal term, what do you not get? You seem to equate bad killing with murder. That's idiotic. If legally you cannot class it as murder, then it's not murder.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
It doesn't even matter if im wrong, and you are right. Your conduct almost destroys any validity in your arguments.
Hahaha, and comments like "It doesn't matter if I'm wrong" somehow solidify your validity? Comments like "It's murder TO ME"? Laughable.
-AC
Oh, by the way LU, we've already debated whether or not the foetus is "human" and/or "alive", and it turned into a standstill. Since there is no conclusive proof either way, and since your statement "I do think that Abortion is killing for convienence" implies that abortion involves the destruction of a living being, you appear misinformed. But you're right, this does not justify insults though.
Originally posted by crazylozer
Oh, by the way LU, we've already debated whether or not the foetus is "human" and/or "alive", and it turned into a standstill. Since there is no conclusive proof either way, and since your statement "I do think that Abortion is killing for convienence" implies that abortion involves the destruction of a living being, you appear misinformed. But you're right, this does not justify insults though.
Abortion is killing, it also can be for convenience.
Neither of these mean that it's murder, this is where his brain falls short. I don't get why someone can continually believe that respect is mandatory when he's sitting there ignoring facts and expecting us to treat him nicely.
-AC
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I would be happy to answer this now that you ask politely, instead of calling me stupid, close minded, and all that bullshit.I do think that Abortion is killing for convienence.
And then that killing for convienence is selfish and cruel.
What is selfish and cruel to me is wrong.
I am simply stating my OPINION on that matter....is my opinion absolute fact? NO...but neither is yours.
ah...there is the magic of this debate.
KNOWING that my opinion is MY OWN and should not be used to GOVERN a woman's choice, MEANS that i know i have NO RIGHT to force a woman into childbirth.
Therefore i wouldn't. I don't beleive in force.
But MY OPINION is still the same, and the fact that you are being pissy because nothing you say can change it, is what is indeed stupid.
Perhaps my previous post was not clear enough. Why argue the morality of abortion if you are not strongly opposed to it enough to believe that a woman does not have a right to have one? If you do not believe that a woman does not have a right to have an abortion, then your feelings about the morality of abortion are irrelevant, and expressing them is pointless.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Perhaps my previous post was not clear enough. [b]Why argue the morality of abortion if you are not strongly opposed to it enough to believe that a woman does not have a right to have one? If you do not believe that a woman does not have a right to have an abortion, then your feelings about the morality of abortion are irrelevant, and expressing them is pointless. [/B]
DAMN you just dont get it.
I AM AGAINST IT....but that doesn't MEAN i would force a woman to give childbirth
Despite my opinion, it is NOT my right.