Abortion

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"I'm done here, later."

Famous not-so-last words by Lord Urizen there. You're welcome in this thread and this forum as much as anybody is, I'm not trying to get rid of you.

What you have to understand is that facts are facts. If you WON'T accept them, despite them being true, then you are hindering this thread and it makes it harder for anyone here who actually wants to progress with the thread. If, of course, there is anything left to discuss.

-AC

WHAT FACTS?

The only fact i recall you giving me was that abortion is not legally murder.

Duh bro, i already stated that myself.

All i told you was my opinion, BASED on whatever fact i could give, and i even said that despite my opinion i would NEVER force my opinion on a woman.

Then you guys throw a ton of insults at me. You aren't debating. You are just insulting me, and i dont have to continue taking it.

Just so you know LU, your opinion has been stated, most of us have heard your arguments repeated numerous times throughout the thread (by various people), and they have been addressed. If you actually want to read the thread, the points begin to coalesce more succinctly around page 200. Have fun!

Originally posted by crazylozer
Just so you know LU, your opinion has been stated, most of us have heard your arguments repeated numerous times throughout the thread (by various people), and they have been addressed. If you actually want to read the thread, the points begin to coalesce more succinctly around page 200. Have fun!

That's fine.

But just because you guys have heard my opinion before does not mean that i should be addressed with such childish disrespect.

I did not throw insults, you guys were the first to initiate insults simply because i disagree.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
WHAT FACTS?

The only fact i recall you giving me was that abortion is not legally murder.

Duh bro, i already stated that myself.

All i told you was my opinion, BASED on whatever fact i could give, and i even said that despite my opinion i would NEVER force my opinion on a woman.

Then you guys throw a ton of insults at me. You aren't debating. You are just insulting me, and i dont have to continue taking it.

Yes, and you are debating under the belief that it is murder, you said THAT yourself. Other than that, I have no problem with your conduct here.

I didn't throw any insult at you that you didn't ask for. You acted stupid, I called you stupid. You were insulted as a result, that doesn't mean it isn't true.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, and you are debating under the belief that it is murder, you said THAT yourself. Other than that, I have no problem with your conduct here.

I didn't throw any insult at you that you didn't ask for. You acted stupid, I called you stupid. You were insulted as a result, that doesn't mean it isn't true.

-AC

Again how did i act stupid?

You clearly did not read my post, i never said that my opinion of Abortion being murder in my eyes is FACT....i never said that.

How was i acting stupid?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Again how did i act stupid?

You clearly did not read my post, i never said that my opinion of Abortion being murder in my eyes is FACT....i never said that.

How was i acting stupid?

By holding the opinion that abortion is murder ANYWAY. You know it's a fact that it's not, so why hold the opinion that it is?

It's not, I know that and you know that. So it's stupid to debate from any other stance isn't it?

-AC

I debated on more than once stance at that.

did i NOT clearly state that despite my opinion or anyone else's that i would not force my opinion on a woman ?

It's funny how you disregard all my other points and repeatedly attack the one you feel is mockable, and on top of that sprinkle your argument with insults.

If i feel abortion is equal to murder, i have every right to think that.

Did i claim it as fact? No..so wat is your problem ?

Answer me this:

Under circumstances where the woman's life is not in danger, and where she was not raped...she just slipped up...

Is abortion NOT killing for convience ?

convienence * sorry

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
By holding the opinion that abortion is murder ANYWAY. You know it's a fact that it's not, so why hold the opinion that it is?

It's not, I know that and you know that. So it's stupid to debate from any other stance isn't it?

-AC

OMG will you listen to yourself? You honestly think that we should all think to ourselves, 'Well, I believe abortion is murder, but the law says it isn't, so now I won't think abortion to be murder anymore'. There is nothing wrong with holding the opinion that abortion is murder, okay? Get over it. We are not the ones hindering this thread with our opinions, you are the one hindering this thread, trying to force 'facts' donw our throats. We know they are facts, okay? We know it is a fact that abortion is not murder, okay? But you know what? WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE FACTS! We have the right to our opinions, whether you, or the law, like it or not.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Is abortion NOT killing for convience ?

All abortions are done for convienence. ALL of them. If AC is going to try to debate something else, good luck to him.

Originally posted by PrincessMary
OMG will you listen to yourself? You honestly think that we should all think to ourselves, 'Well, I believe abortion is murder, but the law says it isn't, so now I won't think abortion to be murder anymore'. There is nothing wrong with holding the opinion that abortion is murder, okay? Get over it. We are not the ones hindering this thread with our opinions, you are the one hindering this thread, trying to force 'facts' donw our throats. We know they are facts, okay? We know it is a fact that abortion is not murder, okay? But you know what? WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE FACTS! We have the right to our opinions, whether you, or the law, like it or not.

I think you people should stop believing that abortion is murder in the first place...since it isn't.

Thanks Mary.

You are more reasonable than Alpha,

but Alpha is MUCH MORE reasonable than PVS lol

Originally posted by PrincessMary
All abortions are done for convienence. ALL of them. If AC is going to try to debate something else, good luck to him.

Mostly however absolutes tend to just not mix well with reality for instance.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, and you are debating under the belief that it is murder, you said THAT yourself.

As I said, facts are separate from beliefs.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I think you people should stop believing that abortion is murder in the first place...since it isn't.

Bardock, the definition of Murder is only confined to what the LAW says it is.

Does that mean that each of us are not entitled to our OWN intepretation of what murder is ?

Is is THAT non-subjective that we cannot have the opinion that the Death Penalty or Abortion are the same thing as murder ?

How come the n00bs are for some reason dissing much respected members just because they point out the flaws in their not at all original opinions?

Bardock dont go off topic, please anwer my question or atleast TRY and counter my points.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Bardock, the definition of Murder is only confined to what the LAW says it is.

Does that mean that each of us are not entitled to our OWN intepretation of what murder is ?

Is is THAT non-subjective that we cannot have the opinion that the Death Penalty or Abortion are the same thing as murder ?

I don't care if you think that really..it's just wrong.

Kind of like thinking Homosexuality is a disease that has to be cured..sure you can think that...but you are wrong.
Or I could now decide that I believe that this keyboard I am looking at is in fact a snake...it's just my opinion..it is still WRONG. Understand?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Nope..Mary if you read my other posts you would have ALREADY seen that i already said I would NEVER force my opinion of a woman.

Sorry, LU, I was talking to AC there. I know your opinions, and I agree with them.

AC, if you honestly believe that holding the belief that abortion is murder is stupud, then you are obviously one idiotic human being who can't see beyond what the good old wonderful law tells him. Do you think that everyone who believes in God is stupid, simply because they can't prove he exists?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Bardock, the definition of Murder is only confined to what the LAW says it is.

Does that mean that each of us are not entitled to our OWN intepretation of what murder is ?

Is is THAT non-subjective that we cannot have the opinion that the Death Penalty or Abortion are the same thing as murder ?

Speaking of opinions, its my opinion that those against abortion should shut the **** up and let a woman choose whatever the hell she wants to do with her body. If she doesnt want an abortion, ****ing fantastic, but if she does, thats her choice, so **** anyone who wants to get in her way.