Abortion

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So a human child, a human pre teen, a human teenager, a human young adult, a human older adult, a human elder, etc.

Those are all true humans?

But a fetus is not ?

I suppose you may also beleive that once the human being is DEAD, that it is no longer a human being either.

There is a misconception..human can mean two things, the species and the actual being...the fetus is just the species...not an actual human yet.

Originally posted by Sam Z
So if YOU was "slaughtered" when you was a fetus that wouldn't be murder? That would be just a very bad act?

Precisely.

Your emotions aren't relevant here, it's not murder. Regardless of how bad you think it is.

-AC

Originally posted by Sam Z
So if YOU was "slaughtered" when you was a fetus that wouldn't be murder? That would be just a very bad act?

Yes....why do you think that definition wouldn't apply to me?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Murder is only a legal term, and since that legal term states clearly that it is the [b]unlawful killing of a human being independent of itself with pre-meditated malice, it doesn't apply to abortion.

This is a stone cold, hard fact. End of argument. This is exactly why the thread goes nowhere. As one person finally gets it, another oblivious fool crawls out of the woodwork.

-AC [/B]

So this is fine only because there is nothing said about it in the law?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes....why do you think that definition wouldn't apply to me?

Do you believe in God?

Originally posted by Sam Z
So this is fine only because there is nothing said about it in the law?

You don't have to believe it is fine. You can be totally against it for all I care. But it just isn't murder...doesn't make it better. You know, rape is pretty bad, but it also is NOT murder.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Do you believe in God?

I'm agnostic.

But if it is a black and white issue to you my answer would have to be "no".

What does it matter?

Originally posted by Bardock42
You don't have to believe it is fine. You can be totally against it for all I care. But it just isn't murder...doesn't make it better. You know, rape is pretty bad, but it also is NOT murder.

So it isn't better. And you was only trying to tell that we were just using the wrong word to describe it and you do NOT aprove abortion? If so, then i agree.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I'm agnostic.

But if it is a black and white issue to you my answer would have to be "no".

What does it matter?

Doesn't matter already since you are agains abortion yourself.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Doesn't matter already since you are agains abortion yourself.

I'm not against abortion.....where did you gather that from....I'm liberal to the heart...

Originally posted by Sam Z
So it isn't better. And you was only trying to tell that we were just using the wrong word to describe it and you do NOT aprove abortion? If so, then i agree.

I do approve of abortion...I would still do if it was murder. But it just isn't murder. Use Baby Killing for all I care....Genocide of little humans...whatever...also pretty stupid terms..but it is not murder...by definition.

Originally posted by Bardock42
There is a misconception..human can mean two things, the species and the actual being...the fetus is just the species...not an actual human yet.

So a Human being in your definition is when the human has an identity, a sense of self, and can formulate its clearer perceptions on the world...

correct me if i am wrong.

So what happens when the human being dies ? Is he or she no longer human ?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Remove the umbilical cord and see how long it lasts.

-AC

Good point. But you didn't actually answer my question.

The fetus has its own conciousness. Does that not qualify as its being its own life ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
The fetus has its own conciousness. Does that not qualify as its being its own life ?

but it doesnt. even a new born baby has no sense of self.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I'm not against abortion.....where did you gather that from....I'm liberal to the heart...

I do approve of abortion...I would still do if it was murder. But it just isn't murder. Use Baby Killing for all I care....Genocide of little humans...whatever...also pretty stupid terms..but it is not murder...by definition.

By this logic if your parents desided to make abortion while you was going to born you would've 100% supported their idea ONLY because you were not a human by then. Again tell me what makes one day old child better than the one that is going to born in some time?

Originally posted by Sam Z
So this is fine only because there is nothing said about it in the law?

It's not murder was my point. It's not.

Whether abortion is fine or not is up to you, whatever you believe. That much is subjective.

-AC

Originally posted by Sam Z
By this logic if your parents desided to make abortion while you was going to born you would've 100% supported their idea ONLY because you were not a human by then. Again tell me what makes one day old child better than the one that is going to born in some time?

No, I assume he would have supported their decision because they'd have a good reason. They wouldn't have been able to give him a decent life, they couldn't afford to feed him, they didnt feel they were responsible enough, etc.

Your logic is stupid.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
No, I assume he would have supported their decision because they'd have a good reason. They wouldn't have been able to give him a decent life, they couldn't afford to feed him, they didnt feel they were responsible enough, etc.

Your logic is stupid.

Or they didn't planned him at all... Good reason to kill him. They were not carefull so he must pay for that.
My logic makes sense.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Or they didn't planned him at all... Good reason to kill him. They were not carefull so he must pay for that.
My logic makes sense.

and what of when 'he' is born into a world which does not want 'him'?(great job in personifying a fetus with an undeveloped brain and no sense of self ftw)

pro-lifers seem quite bias in their passion for a human being, depending on which side of the vagina they're on. once you're born, you just dont matter.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Or they didn't planned him at all... Good reason to kill him. They were not carefull so he must pay for that.
My logic makes sense.

No, your logic focuses on the one flaw in system, it's flawed logic. You're going to make thousands of women give birth to babies they cannot support becuase the one in a hundred thousand says "I didn't plan it". Well how about they didn't plan it because they can't support it?

Your logic is still flawed.

*ahem*

Originally posted by PVS
ok, can someone FINALLY change the title of the poll to something other than "Do you beleve in abortion?".

i believe in abortion.
abortions ROCK!!! 🤘