Abortion

Originally posted by PVS
and what of when 'he' is born into a world which does not want 'him'?(great job in personifying a fetus with an undeveloped brain and no sense of self ftw)

pro-lifers seem quite bias in their passion for a human being, depending on which side of the vagina they're on. once you're born, you just dont matter.

Not world but his parents. I know some orphans that lived good succesfull lifes. His parents must allow "Him" to be born so he atleast would have a chance.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
No, your logic focuses on the one flaw in system, it's flawed logic. You're going to make thousands of women give birth to babies they cannot support becuase the one in a hundred thousand says "I didn't plan it". Well how about they didn't plan it because they can't support it?

Your logic is still flawed.

And you are going to make thousands of women kill their children for not coming in time. Sorry but your logic is flawed here.

Originally posted by Sam Z
And you are going to make thousands of women kill their children for not coming in time. Sorry but your logic is flawed here.

No, I'm not making anyone do anything, that's YOU. I want to give them a choice, you want to make them do shit.

And what the hell are you talking about 'not coming in time'??

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
No, I'm not making anyone do anything, that's YOU. I want to give them a choice, you want to make them do shit.

And what the hell are you talking about 'not coming in time'??

You give parents choice to deside(how kind of you!), but what about children? You are not givving some of them chance to live. And who the hell are you to tell if they are going to be "shit" or they are going to be a president or world famous actor?

The fight that "the child may have a miserable life" is a completely FLAWED one. You never truly know if that's going to be the case.

However i beleive there is ONE definate: choice.

I am very much against abortion, you guys know that.

But i am also FOR choice.

Shouldn't everyone have a LONG list of OPTIONS to choose from ?

And shouldn't people be EXPOSED TO ALL POINT OF VIEWS ?

All i would do for a woman is tell her my advice, and leave it at THAT. i wouldn't cut her off or end a freindship just because she went through with an abortion.

abortion should definately be left an OPTION, JUST LIKE Gay marriage should be an option.

But if the woman is undecided, and she needs another's opinion than you have EVERY RIGHT to give yours.

And even if she WONT hear your opinion, she should be TOLD of OTHER OPTIONS other than abortion, so in the end she could make the choice she ultamately thought about and feels is right.

Originally posted by Sam Z
You give parents choice to deside(how kind of you!), but what about children? You are not givving some of them chance to live. And who the hell are you to tell if they are going to be "shit" or they are going to be a president or world famous actor?

The parents are already here, already alive, already living.

Much more important than a ball of flesh.

-AC

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So a Human being in your definition is when the human has an identity, a sense of self, and can formulate its clearer perceptions on the world...

correct me if i am wrong.

So what happens when the human being dies ? Is he or she no longer human ?

Yeah...not longer a human.

Originally posted by Sam Z
By this logic if your parents desided to make abortion while you was going to born you would've 100% supported their idea ONLY because you were not a human by then. Again tell me what makes one day old child better than the one that is going to born in some time?

Well, if my parents had have an abortion back tehn I doubt I would care...like...at all.

Originally posted by Sam Z
You give parents choice to deside(how kind of you!), but what about children? You are not givving some of them chance to live. And who the hell are you to tell if they are going to be "shit" or they are going to be a president or world famous actor?

Who the hell are you to tell a woman what she can and can't do!? You're ****ing nobody. Don't give me that bullshit.

There are 6 billion people on this planet, with 3 more born every second. There will be more than enough people to become president or actors. It's not like there's a shortage of people.

i was just pointing out the sad twisted logic of the average pro-lifer.
really the possibility of what would have been is irrelevant. by that logic
birth control should be outlawed, since that could have been a future nobel prize
winner swimming around in your used condom.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Who the hell are you to tell a woman what she can and can't do!? You're ****ing nobody. Don't give me that bullshit.

There are 6 billion people on this planet, with 3 more born every second. There will be more than enough people to become president or actors. It's not like there's a shortage of people.

No, who the f!@k are you to deside who of them is going to be an actor or a president?! They all must have their chances to try. And you talk about people as of spare pair of boots. "more than enough"! Again, who the f!@k are you to deside when it's enough and when it's not?!

eh not quite.

Birth control is PREVENTING a life from being started.

Abortion is ending a life that already began.

Originally posted by Sam Z
No, who the f!@k are you to deside who of them is going to be an actor or a president?! They all must have their chances to try. And you talk about people as of spare pair of boots. "more than enough"! Again, who the f!@k are you to deside when it's enough and when it's not?!

Hmm, maybe when overpopulation is raping the planet and we don't have enough ****ing food to feed entire nations! 😱

Are you going to take care of the children when a mother has a child she doesn't want? Will you allow the millions of women who get abortions to drop them off on YOUR doorstep to take care of them?

How about taking care of the children who are already alive than pushing more out into the world? 😱

Reality is a ***** and I'm not going to ****ing sugar coat it for you. In a perfect world we'd have enough money and food to feed the entire planet and we wouldn't need abortions, but guess what? We don't ****ing live in a perfect world. Grow the **** up.

theres no arguement that can overcome you're killing a child.

Originally posted by Frosty Beverage
theres no arguement that can overcome you're killing a child.

Except that you aren't.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Hmm, maybe when overpopulation is raping the planet and we don't have enough ****ing food to feed entire nations! 😱

Are you going to take care of the children when a mother has a child she doesn't want? Will you allow the millions of women who get abortions to drop them off on YOUR doorstep to take care of them?

How about taking care of the children who are already alive than pushing more out into the world? 😱

Reality is a ***** and I'm not going to ****ing sugar coat it for you. In a perfect world we'd have enough money and food to feed the entire planet and we wouldn't need abortions, but guess what? We don't ****ing live in a perfect world. Grow the **** up.

So why not start from killing people like you to avoid overpopulation? What makes YOU better then them?! You are only better coz your parents wanted you? The reality is that you are just now thinking how to feed you own f!@king ass. And acting like a selfish bastard and from what I heard, the only one who really needs to grow the **** up here is you coz you aprove killing children only because it will keep you from getting hungry. How ****ing noble!

Originally posted by Bardock42
Except that you aren't.

i was a fetus once.

i was a child once.

by the way, read up on what fetuses can undergo. pain and stuff. im tired. later.

Originally posted by Frosty Beverage
then a fetus isn't a child?

i was a fetus once.

i was a child once.

by the way, read up on what fetuses can undergo. pain and stuff. im tired. later.

I was a child once, I was a teenager once (okay I am still..screw you guys)....but, if you kill a child, did you kill a teenager? No? Cool.

Originally posted by Frosty Beverage
theres no arguement that can overcome you're killing a child.

People have this damn fantasy that the woman is going to give birth to the child and take care of it. If she doesn't want it or can't have it then what makes you think she's going to care for it when it's born? Some people say give it up for adoption, well not only is it extremely expensive to adopt a child, but couples that want to adopt, including gay couples, are being protested against! The child ends up being rasied in a two cent shithole orphanage.

Hmm, kill the unborn fetus or let the child suffer for a lifetime, i wonder which is more humane?

you kill a future one. lol.
i dont want any battle of wits going on here and im not in the mood for a debate.