Abortion

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Well here's the choice: Kill the child before he's born and spare him suffering, or let the kid starve to death while he's here. We're already letting millions of kids die of starvation each day, why not let another few million starve when we ban abortion! 😱

People have this damn fantasy that the woman is going to give birth to the child and take care of it. If she doesn't want it or can't have it then what makes you think she's going to care for it when it's born? Some people say give it up for adoption, well not only is it extremely expensive to adopt a child, but couples that want to adopt, including gay couples, are being protested against! The child ends up being rasied in a two cent shithole orphanage.

Hmm, kill the unborn fetus or let the child suffer for a lifetime, i wonder which is more humane?

Originally posted by Frosty Beverage
you kill a future one. lol.
i dont want any battle of wits going on here and im not in the mood for a debate.

That may be....but since it never will be one, since I killed it, it doesn't really matter.

the third choice is letting him live and feeding him. lol im not talking about african children with no food. in america teenage girls just get abortions to avoid punishment from thier parents after have premarital sex.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
eh not quite.

Birth control is PREVENTING a life from being started.

Abortion is ending a life that already began.

there it is again. "a life that already began."
i say it isnt a life. i say its a pre-life. its an extention of the mother
and although prolifers like to tug the irrational heart strings with talks of hearts beating and hands clasping, etc, it doesnt matter. you cannot prove that life begins at conception, so please stop parroting it

You can't kill a future anything, you can only kill what exists in the present.

What exists? A foetus. Not a president, not a dictator. A dependent foetus.

Stop saying what it will be, it won't be anything unless it's allowed to become that. Concentrate on what it is.

-AC

Then leave the thread. It's pretty simple.

lol you dont know what it will be. nor do i.

god does.

Originally posted by Frosty Beverage
lol you dont know what it will be. nor do i.

god does.

If this God person exists.....

No, read the post, the words in it.

"You can't kill a future anything, you can only kill what exists in the present.

What exists? A foetus. Not a president, not a dictator. A dependent foetus.

Stop saying what it will be, it won't be anything unless it's allowed to become that. Concentrate on what it is."

There, read that. Stop saying "You can't kill it because it might become a..." or "You can't kill it because it's a future...". Stop that, it's a future nothing, it's a present foetus that is dependent on it's mother to survive. That's all it is.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You can't kill a future anything, you can only kill what exists in the present.

What exists? A foetus. Not a president, not a dictator. A dependent foetus.

Stop saying what it will be, it won't be anything unless it's allowed to become that. Concentrate on what it is.

So we do not know who it gonna be so there is nothing wrong with killing it?

Originally posted by Sam Z
So we do not know who it gonna be so there is nothing wrong with killing them?

You're clearly the Carl Lewis of logic.

You don't know what or who they would be, so there's no point using what you think they could become, or couldn't become, in your debate.

What matters is what it is now, in the present, since that's all that really exists. In the present it's a foetus, not a future president, not a future dictator. It's a present foetus. End.

-AC

I really have no problem with women choosing abortion. I can't remember a time when I was floating around somewhere in my mother's womb, or remember any pain, or feelings for that matter, so it's kind of hard to imagine that it would bother the fetus at all if it were disposed of. But, as touchy a subject as abortion is, I guess there should be some limits to the operation. The only time I don't think abortion should become a suggestion is in the middle of the 2nd trimester, and the 3rd trimester.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You're clearly the Carl Lewis of logic.

You don't know what or who they would be, so there's no point using what you think they could become, or couldn't become, in your debate.

What matters is what it is now, in the present, since that's all that really exists. In the present it's a foetus, not a future president, not a future dictator. It's a present foetus. End.

-AC

I never said "we must not kill them because they MIGHT become president". I only said that they MUST have a chance to become somebody. You can't just say "We don't know if this child is gonna achive anything in his life so he does not deserve to live".

how about they dont 'kill' the fetus? just take it out very carefully,
leaving it in tact, and then give it the chance to exist on its own?

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Hmm, maybe when overpopulation is raping the planet and we don't have enough ****ing food to feed entire nations! 😱

Are you going to take care of the children when a mother has a child she doesn't want? Will you allow the millions of women who get abortions to drop them off on YOUR doorstep to take care of them?

How about taking care of the children who are already alive than pushing more out into the world? 😱

Reality is a ***** and I'm not going to ****ing sugar coat it for you. In a perfect world we'd have enough money and food to feed the entire planet and we wouldn't need abortions, but guess what? We don't ****ing live in a perfect world. Grow the **** up.

Theres still no refute for this. Id like to see one.

Originally posted by PVS
how about they dont 'kill' the fetus? just take it out very carefully,
leaving it in tact, and then give it the chance to exist on its own?

Or simply to cut its head off? That would be even more generous...
It is the same a killing it.

Originally posted by PVS
there it is again. "a life that already began."
i say it isnt a life. i say its a pre-life. its an extention of the mother
and although prolifers like to tug the irrational heart strings with talks of hearts beating and hands clasping, etc, it doesnt matter. you cannot prove that life begins at conception, so please stop parroting it

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A Fetus is not alive ? You seriously beleive this bro ?

Conception....life begins, but in the form is cells replicating, not in the form of being.

After several weeks the body becomes recognizably a minature human being.

It's ALIVE....there's no denying this.

When you have an Abortion you are KILLING a living creature.

Just because your definition of LIFE accompanies the possession of a self identity, doesn't make it true.

Life is physical and mental existance.

The brain is one of the first organs to develop, so you cannot deny the mental aspect of existance here.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Theres still no refute for this. Id like to see one.

Actually you just ignored my post. It's your problem, not mine.

Originally posted by Sam Z
So why not start from killing people like you to avoid overpopulation? What makes YOU better then them?! You are only better coz your parents wanted you? The reality is that you are just now thinking how to feed you own f!@king ass. And acting like a selfish bastard and from what I heard, the only one who really needs to grow the **** up here is you coz you aprove killing children only because it will keep you from getting hungry. How ****ing noble!

Originally posted by Sam Z
Or simply to cut its head off? That would be even more generous...
It is the same a killing it.

oh, so now the mother is relevant? by your logic the fetus is a separate life.
now all of the sudden it isnt. funny how perspectives change.

the mother is the life and the fetus is the completely dependant pre-life, and thus an extention of her. once removed, the wittle bitty heart stops beating and those itty bitty teeny weeny hands no longer clasp. so personify the 'child' all you wish, but it is not one....yet

Originally posted by Sam Z
So why not start from killing people like you to avoid overpopulation? What makes YOU better then them?! You are only better coz your parents wanted you? The reality is that you are just now thinking how to feed you own f!@king ass. And acting like a selfish bastard and from what I heard, the only one who really needs to grow the **** up here is you coz you aprove killing children only because it will keep you from getting hungry. How ****ing noble!

What makes me better than them? Being a productive member of society that wants to help other living beings that are already here. That's SO SELFISH OF ME OMG I want food for everyone to survive starvation and Im selfish!? I want to help the starving children in Africa before bringing in more children, and I'm selfish? Im thinking that if the baby is born and can't eat it's goin to suffer, and IM SELFISH??

What the hell is wrong with you?