Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It has what potential it's mother decides. It is all made or broken on her choice to either keep or abort.
-AC
Good point, but it's not even that.
The mother can plan to have the baby, and yet may get a miscarriage, or the baby will be born still born. What then? Oh noes, the fetus aborted itself! It's a murderer!
The whole point of not thinking about the future is that noone actually knows what the future will be, however much you try to plan it. Whether the damn thing is going to be a productive human being doesn't matter, he could be a serial killer too. Potentiality has almost no place in making decisions now. Yes, think of consequences with big descisions, but what's the consequence of getting an abortion? Relatively nothing. The baby isn't born and nobody's life changes, except for some emotional changes the mother would go through. How many people does it effect? One, the mother. Everyone who didn't have a hand in making the baby, should stay the **** out of her business.
The fact that some people can't wrap their head around this simple concept is astounding.
Originally posted by PVS
i though you were of the mindset that it isnt 'killing' 😕
It is killing, but killing is just an act. You kill a tree when you cut it down, you kill bacteria when you disinfect a floor or bathroom.
It is killing, but killing is a buzzword. Murder is a very specific kind of killing that isn't applicable to abortion. People who think killing = murder are stupid. Because that would mean manslaughter is murder and such.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It is killing, but killing is just an act. You kill a tree when you cut it down, you kill bacteria when you disinfect a floor or bathroom.It is killing, but killing is a buzzword. Murder is a very specific kind of killing that isn't applicable to abortion. People who think killing = murder are stupid. Because that would mean manslaughter is murder and such.
-AC
would also mean i committed a holocaust in my toilet last sunday via tidy-bowl.
but now we've done it. here comes "how can you compare a BABY to BACTERIA!!!"
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It is killing, but killing is just an act. You kill a tree when you cut it down, you kill bacteria when you disinfect a floor or bathroom.It is killing, but killing is a buzzword. Murder is a very specific kind of killing that isn't applicable to abortion. People who think killing = murder are stupid. Because that would mean manslaughter is murder and such.
-AC
Killing doesn't = Murder. But pre-meditated killing IS murder. Abortion is Pre-meditated. There are other ways, if you dont want or can't take care of a child, to not have to.
1. Put the baby up for Adoption.
2. Protect yourself.
3. Don't have sex!
I mean It's not the kid's fault that it's parents decided to uh... get to know each other beter. and killing the fetus is, wheather you say so or not, killing a human. Plain and simple.
Plus if you studied the fetus of a Human and one of an Animal, they will be two different things. It's a Human fetus. Key word? HUMAN!
Originally posted by LORD JLRTENJAC
Killing doesn't = Murder. But pre-meditated killing IS murder. Abortion is Pre-meditated. There are other ways, if you dont want or can't take care of a child, to not have to.1. Put the baby up for Adoption.
2. Protect yourself.
3. Don't have sex!I mean It's not the kid's fault that it's parents decided to uh... get to know each other beter. and killing the fetus is, wheather you say so or not, killing a human. Plain and simple.
Plus if you studied the fetus of a Human and one of an Animal, they will be two different things. It's a Human fetus. Key word? HUMAN!
wrong. murder is UNLAWFUL killing. whether or not it is premeditated determines the weight of the charge, but not whether or not its murder.
Originally posted by LORD JLRTENJAC
Killing doesn't = Murder. But pre-meditated killing IS murder. Abortion is Pre-meditated. There are other ways, if you dont want or can't take care of a child, to not have to.1. Put the baby up for Adoption.
2. Protect yourself.
3. Don't have sex!I mean It's not the kid's fault that it's parents decided to uh... get to know each other beter. and killing the fetus is, wheather you say so or not, killing a human. Plain and simple.
Plus if you studied the fetus of a Human and one of an Animal, they will be two different things. It's a Human fetus. Key word? HUMAN!
I see you are male.
Push a softball out of your anus and then tell a woman she has to go through childbirth just to give it away.
Originally posted by PVS
wrong. murder is UNLAWFUL killing. whether or not it is premeditated determines the weight of the charge, but not whether or not its murder.
I don't consider that if you are driving down the road and someone acidentaly trips and falls right in front of your car murder. Juge rules that you are guilty. The judged deemed it un-lawful. You killed him, but did you murder him? I mis-worded my previous post. Hunting isn't murder, but it is pre-meditated. There are more things to consider than Law, and Pre-meditation. there is also morality. sadly, the law doesn't cover that. Many Immoral things are allowed by the law. It is becoming more and more that people are becoming afraid to say NO!
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Point? Ultimately it's the woman's choice.I have the perfect answer, ready? If you don't like it, don't have one, stay away from abortion clinics and never involve yourself.
It doesn't matter what you believe, though. A foetus is not a person, it's not. I appreciate your quaint "Everyone is right" belief, but you see, here in the real world we have a little divide called fact and opinion. One is objective, one is subjective. A foetus not being a person is the first one and resultantly, undeniable.
Stop talking about the future for crying out loud. It's [b]nothing
in the future and it will be nothing in the future. The future is an idea, a concept. It doesn't presently exist. What does exist, is the present itself, you know...that time era where a foetus is...a foetus. It has what potential it's mother decides. It is all made or broken on her choice to either keep or abort. Learn this before debating further.You are so stupid.
Using abortion as convenience isn't murder, it's just frivolous killing. Frivolous killing isn't murder. Murder is very specific, and abortion is not it.
-AC [/B]
I did not say everyone is right did I? I was merely stating that the way the system is now is not perfect but neither is the current opposing view. So in actuality, I'm saying everyone is wrong. Talk about lack of grasping ideas... Funny you bring up the facts/opinions point, because what you stay as FACTS doesn't make it so just because YOU believe it. There is ample proof to debate the 'is a fetus a person' topic, just because you choose to ignore it doesn’t make it invalid.
Again with your pseudo-intellectual 'The future is nothing' drivel and the mindless insults. Grow up kid and learn to debate without becoming an emotional wretch.
Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
I see you are male.Push a softball out of your anus and then tell a woman she has to go through childbirth just to give it away.
Oh, you probably judge all men that way. I personaly take offence to that. you notice that last item on my list? That's the option I'm going to stay with. I respect women too much to do that to them.
Of course, I'm not gonna lie. I think about it... but I wouldn't do it. that is not untill I am married.
Originally posted by LORD JLRTENJAC
there is also morality. sadly, the law doesn't cover that. Many Immoral things are allowed by the law. It is becoming more and more that people are becoming afraid to say NO!
law is based on basic morals and principals. morals are made up by people, and
thus are prone to be tainted by the irrational and even downright evil. from the point of view of high ranking nazis, the holocaust was a moral imperative. it was america's moral duty to 'civilise' native americans. it was the moral obligation of the inquisition to purge people of their sins through unimaginable torture.
all society can do is come up with laws based on shared morals. 99% of the people feel that killing someone is wrong, so they make a law against it. that doesnt mean killing is 'wrong'. right and wrong are abstract concepts and purely subjective.
point: the law is based on general morals, but not individual morality. once that is broken, the will of 'the people' is taken for granted and we pretty much have a dictatorship.
Originally posted by LORD JLRTENJAC
Sorry, but I disagree.
thats great, but i wasnt presenting an opinion. thats fact.
a substantial percentage of americans feel deep within their heart of hearts
that drinking alcohol is just downright wrong. so i guess it is by your logic.
how about premarital sex? holy shit, to a hefty percentage of americans thats
a sure ticket to satan's door...so should there be a law against that?
Originally posted by PVS
thats great, but i wasnt presenting an opinion. thats fact.a substantial percentage of americans feel deep within their heart of hearts
that drinking alcohol is just downright wrong. so i guess it is by your logic.
how about premarital sex? holy shit, to a hefty percentage of americans thats
a sure ticket to satan's door...so should there be a law against that?
personaly? yes. But then again, people need choices. but Just because the law allows it, doesn't mean it's ok. then also, just because it's illeagel doesn't mean it's wrong.
of course then again, look at who I am talking to. The man with a Masturbator avatar.
Originally posted by LORD JLRTENJAC
personaly? yes. But then again, people need choices. but Just because the law allows it, doesn't mean it's ok. then also, just because it's illeagel doesn't mean it's wrong.of course then again, look at who I am talking to. The man with a Masturbator avatar.
What does it make wrong and right then? That you think it is wrong or right?