Originally posted by Robtard
I wasn't insulting him and I hope he didn't take it as such. Put your little kitty claws away.
I wasn't insulting you either, but that didn't stop your continual claims of "You resort to insults" did it?
Funny this. The only way you've managed to stay in the debate is by everyone insulting you, and you doing the same. As long as it was on topic, you could do nothing.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I wasn't insulting you either, but that didn't stop your continual claims of "You resort to insults" did it?Funny this. The only way you've managed to stay in the debate is by everyone insulting you, and you doing the same. As long as it was on topic, you could do nothing.
-AC
Lol.. You're telling me you stating "You're an idiot." was really meant as a compliment?
I only insulted you after you repeatedly called me 'an idiot' or some other derogatory remark. Not to mention I rarely did it and in fact the last time I did, I took it back and admitted it was childish. We have pages to fall back on as proof.
Seriously now, let it go and grow up. You have already proved to be the bully, now you're making yourself out to be a moron. No one in their right mind would agree that being called an 'Idiot' is a compliment.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Funny this. The only way you've managed to stay in the debate is by everyone insulting you, and you doing the same. As long as it was on topic, you could do nothing.
WRONG!!!!
Originally posted by Robtard
Lol.. You're telling me you stating "You're an idiot." was really meant as a compliment?I only insulted you after you repeatedly called me 'an idiot' or some other derogatory remark. Not to mention I rarely did it and in fact the last time I did, I took it back and admitted it was childish. We have pages to fall back on as proof.
Seriously now, let it go and grow up. You have already proved to be the bully, now you're making yourself out to be a moron. No one in their right mind would agree that being called an 'Idiot' is a compliment.
please strike the aforementioned "WRONG!!!!" from the record
Originally posted by Robtard
Lol.. You're telling me you stating "You're an idiot." was really meant as a compliment?
No, but I meant it by definition. I didn't call you an idiot just to be mean, I truly believe you have idiotic ways of thinking, debating and general conduct. Look up the definition.
Originally posted by Robtard
I only insulted you after you repeatedly called me 'an idiot' or some other derogatory remark. Not to mention I rarely did it and in fact the last time I did, I took it back and admitted it was childish. We have pages to fall back on as proof.
I'm not sitting here being pointlessly abusive though, I called you an idiot because you acted like one. When you stop doing so, I'll stop calling you one.
Originally posted by Robtard
Seriously now, let it go and grow up. You have already proved to be the bully, now you're making yourself out to be a moron. No one in their right mind would agree that being called an 'Idiot' is a compliment.
Oh how hypocritical. Spend a post telling me that calling someone an idiot is childish, then you call me a moron. You've shot yourself in the foot so many times it's no wonder you haven't got a leg to stand on in this debate.
Your last stand was "We can't agree that it's not/is a person, so leave it." Then I provide reasonable claims as to why it's not, and you bail out.
Bring a better abortion argument, because that's what I want to discuss.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, but I meant it by definition. I didn't call you an idiot just to be mean, I truly believe you have idiotic ways of thinking, debating and general conduct. Look up the definition.I'm not sitting here being pointlessly abusive though, I called you an idiot because you acted like one. When you stop doing so, I'll stop calling you one.
Oh how hypocritical. Spend a post telling me that calling someone an idiot is childish, then you call me a moron. You've shot yourself in the foot so many times it's no wonder you haven't got a leg to stand on in this debate.
Your last stand was "We can't agree that it's not/is a person, so leave it." Then I provide reasonable claims as to why it's not, and you bail out.
Bring a better abortion argument, because that's what I want to discuss.
-AC
Let me get this straight; you say "You're an idiot." yet you didn't mean that I am an idiot, just my ways of thinking conduct etc. I say "You're making yourself out to be a moron." and I am irrevocably calling you a moron an insulting you?... Wow, I see hypocrisy on your end Slappy. Learn the different between a statement and a connotation.
Actually, my last stand I said something along the lines of 'I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mine, so the rehashing is pointless, in essense agreeing with a post you made before 'we' started. I do not see your claims as being reasonable just as you do not see mine.
I even extended an olive branch to you and said I hold no ill will towards you and YET you continue. Are you that insecure with yourself that you can't see for all technical purposes, you have won? I backed out of the abortion debate with you; take it as a victory or what ever you like but for f#$k's sake man; GROW UP AND LET IT GO!
Here, maybe this will satisfy you..
I Robtard of sound mind and body state the following to be true "ALPHA CENTAURI IS THE BIG WINNER."
Temper, temper, watch that temper. You don't want to have to sit at the Kiddy Thread do you?
Originally posted by Robtard
Let me get this straight; you say "You're an idiot." yet you didn't mean that I am an idiot, just my ways of thinking conduct etc. I say "You're making yourself out to be a moron." and I am irrevocably calling you a moron an insulting you?... Wow, I see hypocrisy on your end Slappy. Learn the different between a statement and a connotation.
You don't read anything, ever, do you? I do think you are an idiot by definition. Not because of anything else. You have given me reason to believe you are an idiot, and if you wanna believe I am a moron, that's fine. My point was, don't complain about me calling you an idiot only to call me a moron, it doesn't make sense.
Originally posted by Robtard
Actually, my last stand I said something along the lines of 'I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mine, so the rehashing is pointless, [B]in essense agreeing with a post you made before 'we' started. I do not see your claims as being reasonable just as you do not see mine. [/b]
There is no scientific figure with any sense or credibility that will refer to a foetus as a person, they'll refer to it as...? A foetus. You are referring to it as a person because you need it to be.
Originally posted by Robtard
I even extended an olive branch to you and said I hold no ill will towards you and YET you continue. Are you that insecure with yourself that you can't see for all technical purposes, you have won? I backed out of the abortion debate with you; take it as a victory or what ever you like but for f#$k's sake man; GROW UP AND LET IT GO!
Jeez, calm down. I'm trying to get you back on the abortion debate. You are the one who refused to debate the subject, not me. I'm here waiting for a sensible rebuttal.
Originally posted by Robtard
Here, maybe this will satisfy you..I Robtard of sound mind and body state the following to be true "ALPHA CENTAURI IS THE BIG WINNER."
That's about as old as they come. Seen it all before, so please, abortion?
-AC
Originally posted by Robtard
Lol.. You're telling me you stating "You're an idiot." was really meant as a compliment?I only insulted you after you repeatedly called me 'an idiot' or some other derogatory remark. Not to mention I rarely did it and in fact the last time I did, I took it back and admitted it was childish. We have pages to fall back on as proof.
Seriously now, let it go and grow up. You have already proved to be the bully, now you're making yourself out to be a moron. No one in their right mind would agree that being called an 'Idiot' is a compliment.
Dude 4get about it.
AC does that a LOT....a lot of debators have complained about him, they've even sent me PM's asking "why do you pay any attention to him?"etc. "Stupid, Idiot, etc." that's how he debates, and I learned to accept it lol 😆
Just Ignore his insults, he didn't join KMC to make freinds, he joined to discuss issues and insult anyone who doesn't agree with him. Just attack his points, even the ones he repeats over n over.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Dude 4get about it.AC does that a LOT....a lot of debators have complained about him, they've even sent me PM's asking "why do you pay any attention to him?"etc. "Stupid, Idiot, etc." that's how he debates, and I learned to accept it lol 😆
Just Ignore his insults, he didn't join KMC to make freinds, he joined to discuss issues and insult anyone who doesn't agree with him. Just attack his points, even the ones he repeats over n over.
Flattering that you dedicate PM time to me, really. It's very nice.
You've been here for about a month, Urizen. You don't know how I debate, you have a biased view because you've been on the receiving end of a whooping. PVS himself has been in many long winded debates with me in which we've admittedly thrown some mud, but I harbour no resentment toward him or hardly anyone on this site. You're all screen names to me. I don't care if you disagree with me or not, I'm just here to discuss. You are the one who continually tries to whine and moan about everything.
It's just people who have been reduced to shambles by me, that have a long running problem. Those who realise that it's just a forum, move on and forget. Coincidentally, having had your main argument factually countered by me, you're now going the same way.
Sad.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Flattering that you dedicate PM time to me, really. It's very nice.You've been here for about a month, Urizen. You don't know how I debate, you have a biased view because you've been on the receiving end of a whooping. PVS himself has been in many long winded debates with me in which we've admittedly thrown some mud, but I harbour no resentment toward him or hardly anyone on this site. You're all screen names to me. I don't care if you disagree with me or not, I'm just here to discuss.
I[B]t's just people who have been reduced to shambles by me
, that have a long running problem. Those who realise that it's just a forum, move on and forget. Coincidentally, having had your main argument factually countered by me, you're now going the same way.Sad.
-AC [/B]
So young, so proud...
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Flattering that you dedicate PM time to me, really. It's very nice.You've been here for about a month, Urizen. You don't know how I debate, you have a biased view because you've been on the receiving end of a whooping. PVS himself has been in many long winded debates with me in which we've admittedly thrown some mud, but I harbour no resentment toward him or hardly anyone on this site. You're all screen names to me. I don't care if you disagree with me or not, I'm just here to discuss. You are the one who continually tries to whine and moan about everything.
It's just people who have been reduced to shambles by me, that have a long running problem. Those who realise that it's just a forum, move on and forget. Coincidentally, having had your main argument factually countered by me, you're now going the same way.
Sad.
-AC
You MISS the point entirely. No, i could not care less what your opinion or PVS' opinion or Bardock's opinions of me are. Your insults i only see as a WASTE of time, it doesn't "offend" me. But it is a waste, we should be DEBATING instead of throwing insults back and forth.
I never sent a PM about you, so dont flatter yourself. People have PMed ME telling me not to waste my time with the likes of you, PVS, or Bardock, cuz u guys act like kids or whatever...i dont care. I'm not going to budge to any insults, w/e. I am only here for debate, that is all.
I do not hold ANY resentment towards you, i dont even know you, nor will I ever, nor do I care to.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So where's the part where you debate then? Because all I see is a big post about you attempting to get noticed again.You mentioned that you want to debate, so do I. Let's go, debate.
-AC
FINALLY....
So far AC, the only point you have made that has convinced me of anything is that Abortion is not murder. You already know why, so I am not going to go into that with detail.
I think....it was either you or PVS.....who said that morality does not exist in Abortion, that Abortion is a neutral issue entirely, and that right or wrong is only our perspective.
IF this is the case, and I cannot argue this, because that ^ point is PURE opinion....then you also have to beleive that Murder is neutral, that every act that ever existed is neutral.
What is your stance on that?
Just to clarify, or just incase I forget to mention later, I beleive that ANY issue concerning Life and Death involves morality. No, not the "right or wrong, no other option" kinda morality, but morality in general.
Please clarify your stance on or against that point as well.....
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Temper, temper, watch that temper. You don't want to have to sit at the Kiddy Thread do you?You don't read anything, ever, do you? I do think you are an idiot by definition. Not because of anything else. You have given me reason to believe you are an idiot, and if you wanna believe I am a moron, that's fine. My point was, don't complain about me calling you an idiot only to call me a moron, it doesn't make sense.
There is no scientific figure with any sense or credibility that will refer to a foetus as a person, they'll refer to it as...? A foetus. You are referring to it as a person because you need it to be.
Jeez, calm down. I'm trying to get you back on the abortion debate. You are the one who refused to debate the subject, not me. I'm here waiting for a sensible rebuttal.
+That's about as old as they come. Seen it all before, so please, abortion?
-AC
I'll try bullet points since you have trouble:
-As far as the insults go, I held back saying anything similar to you for SEVERAL pages, even when I did say sometime childish, I took it back. Go re-read from pages 352 or so on.
-Using this forums poll, you'll see that it is close to 50/50 on the issue, so obviously it just isn't a few 'crazy' people thinking a fetus should have the rights of a person. It's not planet Alpha Centauri vs that one crazy guy.
-I am agreeing with you, so by continuing to argue with me you're essentially arguing with yourself. If you cannot see that, then you are the dumbest dumb person on the planet. (See below)
Phoenix2001 said:
Originally posted by Phoenix2001
Oh my...I'm predicting another 300+ pages to come with the same arguments repeating each other...
You agreed by backing him up with: (See what I underlined)
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
[B]Omega, myself and others have said that for extreme amounts of pages, and have continued to, it won't register with some people.Because they're stupid idiots, and yes, somebody needs to say that.
-AC [/B]
So, for about the 6th or 7th time now, I AGREE WITH YOU , all we're doing is rehashing the same talking points, I will not see your views as being valid and you will not see mine.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I think....it was either you or PVS.....who said that morality does not exist in Abortion, that Abortion is a neutral issue entirely, and that right or wrong is only our perspective.
Morality will always be applied to abortion, I accept this. The question is, should it? I don't believe it should because morals are subjective. I certainly don't believe that just because of one person's morals, another human should suffer. Nor do you, apparantly, so we can move on there.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
IF this is the case, and I cannot argue this, because that ^ point is PURE opinion....then you also have to beleive that Murder is neutral, that every act that ever existed is neutral.
See above.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
What is your stance on that?
See above the above.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Just to clarify, or just incase I forget to mention later, I beleive that ANY issue concerning Life and Death involves morality. No, not the "right or wrong, no other option" kinda morality, but morality in general.
Morals are subjective, so there will always be disagreements as to right or wrong.
-AC
Originally posted by Robtard
I'll try bullet points since you have trouble:
At least get original material, dude...come on.
Originally posted by Robtard
-As far as the insults go, I held back saying anything similar to you for SEVERAL pages, even when I did say sometime childish, I took it back. Go re-read from pages 352 or so on.
If you dive in the same pond, you're all swimming. If you need that explained, just ask.
Originally posted by Robtard
-Using this forums poll, you'll see that it is close to 50/50 on the issue, so obviously it just isn't a few 'crazy' people thinking a fetus should have the rights of a person. It's not planet Alpha Centauri vs that one crazy guy.
This forum is full of a lot of stupid people. Not because they disagree, but because they are stupid. I've seen debates where people are arguing the same point as me, we agree, but they're still doing it in a stupid way and saying unintelligible things.
Polls aren't official, I should hope you didn't think they were either. What counts is what's being said in a debate.
Originally posted by Robtard
I am agreeing with you, so by continuing to argue with me you're essentially arguing with yourself. If you cannot see that, then you are the dumbest dumb person on the planet. (See below)
That's an extremely far fetched claim isn't it?
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Morality will always be applied to abortion, I accept this. The question is, should it? I don't believe it should because morals are subjective. I certainly don't believe that just because of one person's morals, another human should suffer. Nor do you, apparantly, so we can move on there.Morals are subjective, so there will always be disagreements as to right or wrong.
-AC
I slightly disagree. There are those who beleive that morals are also intuitive as well as subjective, but if you would rather not get into that, as it might throw off the debate, i understand.
However, if you continue to argue that morals are purely subjective, I will feel compelled to constantly bring up the "morality is also intuitive" deal.
I agree that morals should not be the deciding factor in whether or not a woman gets an abortion. It's her body and baby, so ultamately it's up to her. Giving her ALL options, however, may allow her to know for certain whether or not she really thinks she should go through with an abortion.
As you said there will always be disagreements about whether or not Abortion is right or wrong....so what has been the problem?
I have stated why I am pro-choice, but not pro-abortion. You, PVS, Adam Poe, Omega keep trying to label me the hypocrit or w/e when I am just making my stance clear.
I mean, i dont get it, you guys are upset because I am still convinced that Abortion is wrong in most cases? Unfortunately there are no facts you can supply as to why Abortion is right, so what was the problem you guys had with me before ?
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I slightly disagree. There are those who beleive that morals are also intuitive as well as subjective, but if you would rather not get into that, as it might throw off the debate, i understand.However, if you continue to argue that morals are purely subjective, I will feel compelled to constantly bring up the "morality is also intuitive" deal.
I agree that morals should not be the deciding factor in whether or not a woman gets an abortion. It's her body and baby, so ultamately it's up to her. Giving her ALL options, however, may allow her to know for certain whether or not she really thinks she should go through with an abortion.
As you said there will always be disagreements about whether or not Abortion is right or wrong....so what has been the problem?
I have stated why I am pro-choice, but not pro-abortion. You, PVS, Adam Poe, Omega keep trying to label me the hypocrit or w/e when I am just making my stance clear.
I mean, i dont get it, you guys are upset because I am still convinced that Abortion is wrong in most cases? Unfortunately there are no facts you can supply as to why Abortion is right, so what was the problem you guys had with me before ?
I'm not upset, think what you want, ss long as you do just think it and don't try to enforce those thoughts and beliefs on anyone else. I'm not trying to get chicks to have abortions, I'm just saying if they want to, they can, it's none of my business. Adoption is fine with me, so is keeping the baby, but the third option is abortion, and that's fine with me also, I honestly don't care. I have more important things to worry about than what some random female does with a foetus, to be honest.
There are certain morals that billions of people agree with, that doesn't mean they are absolute.
-AC