Abortion

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
The aborted kids don't get a change to grow up or live there life.I think that is horrible.jm

The same for you.Alot of babies are being aborted every second of the day and night and all you can do is insult someone?I guess you don't have a heart at all.jm

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
No. I am saying that preventing a life one second before fertilization is no better than terminating a life one second after fertilization.

True...although foetuses are hardly ever terminated one second after fertilization. It is usually done weeks, if not months, later...the longer you wait, the more "human" the foetus becomes so to speak.

Prevention is not killing, while Abortion is. There is a difference. I agree with your pro choice stance, but the fact that you feel the need to ignore the difference between Prevention and Abortions suggests an insecurity behind your outlook on Abortion in general.

That's like arguing, "It's not my fault that I'm Gay"...you shouldn't have to justify your stance on Abortion by trying to argue that Abortion is equal to Prevention Adam..that's pathetic and below you.

You know what Abortion is....you know it is different from Prevention...you should have the balls to just say you see no wrong in Abortion without having to make a false-argument as to sugar coat it by trying to equate it with something harmless.

I know what Abortion truly is...I am STILL pro choice. I admit that I don't like it, yet I have no right to enforce its banning .

You don't have to be Proabortion you can be what you like.If you are againt babies being murdered every day then you are prolife.jm

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
You don't have to be Proabortion you can be what you like.If you are againt babies being murdered every day then you are prolife.jm

If it was partial birth Abortion are you talking then yes...it is murdering babies.

But removing Zygotes from the woman's womb only 2 or 3 weeks after conception is hardly murdering babies.

It IS, however, killing an innocent life, and on that note, you do have a point.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
True...although foetuses are hardly ever terminated one second after fertilization. It is usually done weeks, if not months, later...the longer you wait, the more "human" the foetus becomes so to speak.

Prevention is not killing, while Abortion is. There is a difference. I agree with your pro choice stance, but the fact that you feel the need to ignore the difference between Prevention and Abortions suggests an insecurity behind your outlook on Abortion in general.

That's like arguing, "It's not my fault that I'm Gay"...you shouldn't have to justify your stance on Abortion by trying to argue that Abortion is equal to Prevention Adam..that's pathetic and below you.

You know what Abortion is....you know it is different from Prevention...you should have the balls to just say you see no wrong in Abortion without having to make a false-argument as to sugar coat it by trying to equate it with something harmless.

I know what Abortion truly is...I am STILL pro choice. I admit that I don't like it, yet I have no right to enforce its banning .

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
If it was partial birth Abortion are you talking then yes...it is murdering babies.

But removing Zygotes from the woman's womb only 2 or 3 weeks after conception is hardly murdering babies.

It IS, however, killing an innocent life, and on that note, you do have a point.

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Fair posts from a pro-choice, liberal, gay man.

I'm humbled by you sir, I guess that I should keep a more open mind on things.

I'm still pro-life, but I appreciate your input in the thread.

(it's better than arguing with the kid who thinks that all of the original Starwars movies should be re-shot with new actors and given new digital effects to match the prequel movies.)

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
The aborted kids don't get a change to grow up or live there life.I think that is horrible.jm

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
It is usually done weeks, if not months, later...the longer you wait, the more "human" the foetus becomes so to speak.

I guess that I should keep a more open mind on things.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
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Fair posts from a pro-choice, liberal, gay man.

I'm humbled by you sir, I guess that I should keep a more open mind on things.

I'm still pro-life, but I appreciate your input in the thread.

(it's better than arguing with the kid who thinks that all of the original Starwars movies should be re-shot with new actors and given new digital effects to match the prequel movies.)

Thanks a lot...really.

That means a lot to me coming from you, especially from someone who I constantly disagree with. 😆

I do try to be fair and logical, although many of my posts may seem close minded or just plain stupid....

It is proabortion not prochoice.It is interesting to hear the other side.But how can you guys not think it is not murder?jm

Thats incorrect. I myslef am against abortion but I think a woman has a right to decide for herself. I think there are better options, but I'm not going to let the government control a woman's body.

Pro-abortion would mean you want people to have abortions, most pro-choice people disagree.

And abortion (not late-term stuff) is not murder because the embryo is not a human.

If you think woman should have choices then why are you considering yourself pro-life?jm

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
It is proabortion not prochoice.It is interesting to hear the other side.But how can you guys not think it is not murder?jm

It's not murder because you're not killing a self sustaining body, you're killing a foetus. Not a human.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
If you think woman should have choices then why are you considering yourself pro-life?jm

Read my lips.

I don't like abortion.

Yet, I think an abortion is a PERSONAL decision.

Therefore, I am pro-choice.

Are you for some people having abortions though Alliance? Even if you'd prefer them not to.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
It's not murder because you're not killing a self sustaining body, you're killing a foetus. Not a human.

Actually, a large portion of abortions happen in the embryonic stage, even before the embryo becomes a fetus.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
Are you for some people having abortions though Alliance? Even if you'd prefer them not to.

I've think I've clearly stated that an abortion is a womans personal choice. It is between her, her doctor, and anyone else she chooses to include.

I can have an opinon and not force it on others. The government should stay out of peoples bedrooms.

Originally posted by Alliance
Actually, a large portion of abortions happen in the embryonic stage, even before the embryo becomes a fetus.

Yeah, that's true also... Which is even less of a living thing.

I much agree with the edit as well.

see edited post above.

Out of curiosity does one consider the use of the EBC pill as killing? Since pregnancy is medically defined as beginning after implantation to the fundus of the uterus. And one of (but not the only) mechanism of it's action is prevention of implantation.

No. The EBC pill does not give an abortion.