Originally posted by Syren
I think you'll find that AC said nothing of the sort Myth. He was simply pointing out the possible consequences of making abortion completely illegal, everywhere. Already children are being abandoned, beaten, abused etc, don't you think it would be a hell of a lot worse if abortion was definitely not an option? Come on, be realistic please. Not every single woman who becomes pregnant has the right motherly instincts, nor do potential fathers for that matter. What gives you the right to say that every pregnancy should be followed through? Do you see these parents to be? Do you interview them? No, so until you've had the experience of actually meeting a few of the people you are determined should be parents no matter what, I don't think you have the right to say that every child should be born, that abortion is murder and that AC is "one sick mother f*cker" for simply having his eyes open.
"don't go calling them bad parents when they leave the kids they don't want in dumpsters "
He said that we can't call them bad parents, or in other words don't judge them when that is damn right sick.
We should kill people that may be abused? Your right. Why did we take out Hitler when we could have painlessly killed the Jews ourselves to avoid them suffering. Why do you want to take away these unborn childrens' natural right to live? Because they MIGHT be abused? They MIGHT have a bad life? Most people with shitty lives still choose to live. Have you noticed that? Why don't you go around shooting bums because "its better for them"? I can some what understand the arguements when people don't believe that they are human. I say they are wrong but at least they are not saying do it because it is better for the child or the mother.
Originally posted by Myth
"don't go calling them bad parents when they leave the kids they don't want in dumpsters "He said that we can't call them bad parents, or in other words don't judge them when that is damn right sick.
We should kill people that may be abused? Your right. Why did we take out Hitler when we could have painlessly killed the Jews ourselves to avoid them suffering. Why do you want to take away these unborn childrens' natural right to live? Because they MIGHT be abused? They MIGHT have a bad life? Most people with shitty lives still choose to live. Have you noticed that? Why don't you go around shooting bums because "its better for them"? I can some what understand the arguements when people don't believe that they are human. I say they are wrong but at least they are not saying do it because it is better for the child or the mother.
That's not what I'm saying and you know it. The principal point I was trying to make was that you have about as much right to call AC a sick mother f*cker as I do to call you an unrealistic moron with your head up your arse. Which I didn't just do, because it isn't down to me.
Anyway, I certainly don't believe that going around killing all the homeless 'to help them' is the answer, and I really don't see how that's relevant here. Do you really think I am inclined to agree with abortion because it's the easier option? What the hell do you think I am? I just think that by going on past experience and what is blatantly going on in society right beneath our noses, it is fairer, no, more humane, to allow abortion to be available where necessary. And I think that necessary is when the child, if it were to be born, would more than likely be abandoned almost immediately or abused for the whole of its childhood. Wake up and smell the neglect Myth.....
Neglected children DON'T want to die (usually). Your arguement that I quoted sure makes you look like you approve using it as an easy out. I don't think it is ethical to abort a child because it will "likely" be abandoned or abused. The homeless thing does relate to this. You are saying the kids would have a bad life, so we should eliminate them. Bums have a bad life, so why don't we eliminate them as well? Thats right, because it is unethical.
I don't have a problem with that actually. Either someone find a job and home for homeless people, because it is very difficult for them to do it themselves, send them to their own personal island where they are guarenteed a home, or...eliminate them.
Call me whatever you want for saying that, like I give two shits about what you think of me.
OMEGA:FE> You didn’t answer my question. I’ll to my death defend your right to have your opinion. Will you do the same for me?
Yes, Yerssot’s post was hard – but you must answer his question! ANSWER IT! Don’t dodge it, don’t talk about your friends friend.
i DID answer it on page 40. I answered 2 of your questions 1 about crippled and that one, together. A right to an opinion is one thing, a right to murder is something else, NO i wouldn't defend the right for someone to commit murder. I do believe WE all have the right to freedom of speech, yes I would defend that, but I would never fight for someones right to have an abortion. And what question did Yerssots, ask? He wished that I would get rapped so that maybe i'd feel differently about it, So another words since I have a different opinion than his and most in here, I shld BE RAPED in hopes of changing my mind, LOL Now that to me would be a begot, I'm not allowed to have my opinion? I've been called a begot, hypocrite and wished that I get raped, wish that my kids turn out Gay, ALL BECAUSE I HAVE A DIFFERNT OPINION, now tell me if i'm wrong, is that not being a BEGOT? lol and i'm the one being called that.
FE - I can't find Yerssot's comment about hoping you get raped, but that was most likely stolen from Red Vs Blue. Therefore, he most likely used it as a joke or was being retarded and thought it would be cool to use it in an actual arguement. As I said, I didn't see the context that he wrote it so I'm hoping it was a joke. Btw, we shouldn't punish babies for being conceived by rape, we should punish the rapists.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=306413&perpage=20&pagenumber=40
page 40: Originally posted by yerssot
I'm sorry to put this very blunt and I wanna apolegise now already for hurting peoples (and those include yours too FE of course) feelings but I just HAVE to say this:
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: If I had the power to wish someone got raped, I would use it to get you raped FE; not to destroy your life mind you! but so you can first hand feel how it is to get raped and what your burden is... and that you can feel the shame of being raped anytime you look at your expanding tummy where the product of a vile crime is growing inside of you!
I find it simply unacceptable that you say it can't be justified when rape is one of the most horrible things that someone can do!!
Again, I want to apolegise for any hurt feelings made by this post, but I felt this way was the only way to show the pain and depression that a rape can give
"He said that we can't call them bad parents, or in other words don't judge them when that is damn right sick."
Yes, that's right. It's only sick to you and not to me because I don't believe NOT bringing a child into this hate-filled and disgusting world is is better than bringing it here and not loving it or giving it a life it deserves now that it is a human being.
Your belief and stand point is that it's a human instantly, sadly this is not the case. It's cells.....that's all it is. It's a chemical reaction that gives way for cells to grow into what will be a human being. You are clearly someone who is very pro-life in all ways. I don't value life as highly as you do.
Why do you assume I'm saying once the baby is born, kill it?
I'm saying, your wish is that the "baby" is given life right? Well then once it's born, wanted or not, your wish is fulfilled in that the woman had no abortion. So from then on, however she deals with it is none of your business and is also on your conscience to be perfectly honest. If abortion gets illegalised I want you to take a look at every unwanted baby that has died from neglect or even been killed and think "Wow, that baby wouldn't have been a baby, it could have been stopped from reaching an unwanted life. But because of me and what I think is right, she had to have that baby and this has happened."
You think abortion is murdering a human life. Factually that is NOT the case, yes factually. As soon as sperm hits egg a baby is not magically there is it? No. Why does it take 9 months? Because it's just cells.
So stop contradicting yourself and condemning these babies to lives of unwantedness or even subjecting them to what you fear most, being robbed of that life, just because of your views.
-AC
Ok, you are right, that is retarded. I thought that was from the joke from Red Vs Blue where they make fun of ideots who use that as an arguement. But no, he is serious.
My response to that post:
Wow! Lets trust the moral ethics of somebody who wishes harm upon another just to prove a point. That is disturbing.
2 wrongs don't make a right. Just because something was the product of a crime, doesn't mean that it did something wrong and deserves punished. We know life isn't fair but it doesn't make it right to kill because of it.
I agree that rape is one of the most horrible things you can do to something. Same goes with killing.
What the hell?
If your driving skill is as good as your debating skill then your insurance bill must be through the roof.
I believe if you value life, you value it equally over all ages. The death of a baby is no sadder than the death of a young man or an elderly man. Because to think otherwise is hypocritical and stupid.
Secondly, I'm not saying she should go kill the baby so stop assuming I am and if anyone has a retarded view, it's you.
If you claim abortion should be illegal and that it's murder, then it's people like you forcing her to have this baby. So when she has this baby that she doesn't want, she isn't miraculously gonna become a booming parent. Newsflash, you wanted the baby to be born, it's born. If you're gonna force women to give birth to all the babies they fall pregnant with then you should accept that some women are gonna deal with it to another extreme, sometimes yes, leaving it in a dumpster or in sadder cases, killing it extremely.
The way I see it, if you're so self-righteous and so gung-ho about life, stop the unwanted child from coming to fruition into a world where it wont be loved, wont be cared for and wont be given the QUALITY of life it deserves. Yes it has literal life, it is alive in the world after birth. But it will have no quality of life if no one cares for it.
Someone said "it's not the baby's fault she couldn't keep her legs closed." Exactly. So why force it to be brought into the world where it will suffer more as a defenseless human than a bunch of cells with no memory, life on Earth or human characteristics.
Here's my view. If abortion is made legal, each and every person who voted for it to be made illegal, especially those who voted just coz they share Myth's view, should register their name on a big big list. Whenever an unwanted child is born, save being thrown in a dumpster, a person be selected from the list of anti-abortionists and the baby can be dropped of at their home.
What? You forced her to have it. You don't want it dumped. You raise it.
-AC
OK, YOu are getting mad cuz why and having an attitude cuz why??? LOL There shld be more sex ED classes, agreed w/you there, but I still don't believe in abortion. there's plenty of people that want to adopt. The moment a woman becomes pregnant, life begins, he/she goes through several stages before they are born, I feel life begins then, not 3, not 4, not 6 mo down the road, and why in the world do you keep saying I'M assuming something about you LOL i have no idea what you are talking about, and it sounds like to me YOU just want to argue.