Abortion

And in relation to what F.E said:

"Here's my view. If abortion is made legal, each and every person who voted for it to be made illegal, especially those who voted just coz they share Myth's view, should register their name on a big big list. Whenever an unwanted child is born, save being thrown in a dumpster, a person be selected from the list of anti-abortionists and the baby can be dropped of at their home.

What? You forced her to have it. You don't want it dumped. You raise it."

Let that be the option for those who are forcing ladies to have the babies. See how much they value life then. I love the way people think they can make drastic decisions and judgement calls like "It's wrong for you to have an abortion." If she has the baby, your life isn't affected in the least. She is the one who has the kid. So if she can't have an abortion due to you believing that the baby should be brought to this Earth, save it being unwanted, you take care of it.

-AC

well said, and long time no see alpha

That's fine with me. Adoption is a wonderful thing. The US system of it is bad as it makes it hard for families to adopt. If it was easier to adopt, then the kids would have homes.

I have no problems adoption. In fact, when I am married, I intend on adoption unwanted kids.

Abortion is Murder...Even though its just a foetus its still a life / a person. Now with the death penalty..thats very different "eye for an eye" principle comes into play!

djee FE... having fun dwelling in the past? I agree that it was poor wording but the point I wanted to make still stands:
I am very sure that when/if (the one that means in the possible futur; not the fixed one...think that's the if one?) you get raped, you WILL change your views for the simple fact that this thing is very traumatising and depressing and that after a while when you look down you'll see this thing... human if you will already, grow inside of you... someone you didn't want that was created in one of the dirtiest way possible. Not to mention that when you do agree on abortion that experience is very traumatising too.
THAT is my point, because you simply claim "murder is murder, abortion is murder" ... and I already am tired of saying it's NOT murder since murder is on a living thing, a bunch of cells is not alive... unless you desperatly want to recognise that plants and such are alive like us too. My point further claims that opinions which some see as fixed can change due to personal events.

you either say: "yes, I agree with your point (with possible explanation to why)" or "no, I still not agree because..."
but clinging on for 5-6 pages about my post where you change the post into me WANTING you raped because I'm some sort of evil spirit send to the earth to destroy your live is in my book coming close to having some pathetic moments because you either can't argue to my point because if it does happen to you, you'll change your ideas or you have nothing to say about it anymore and only stay to annoy people by saying the same thing over and over

Abortion is Murder...Even though its just a foetus its still a life / a person

Originally posted by finti
according to the laws of my country abortion is legal and cant be considered murder because of that

in some countries deathpenalty is legal, it doesn't change the point that it is still murder.
and there are a lot of other examples for that.
in india there was a thing that they were killing the woman when her husband has died, and it was also legal.

the fact that it is legal doesn't change the moral point of it.

murder:

The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

(from dictionary.com)

when it's a bunch of cells I do not consider a foetus as a human at all, so it wouldn't be murder...

for me a 'bunch of cells' is a being.
and i don't like the idea of killing it. all.

yup, that's also the point scientists are discussing 🙂

but just see..
that bunch of cells, how you are calling it, will be a human in the future..
and it is like a lot of ppl were born, and would be considered in the point of present law that they could have been aborted 😕
and it is wrong.
how can you know that a feteus won't discover the cure for cancer in the future 😬

those bunch of cells are also found in plants, do you think they will become human in the future too?

I don't know about your law-system but a foetus here has a double standard, it becomes a person with rights (the right to live in example) and obligations when it is born
BUT
if you kill a woman who is pregnant, it counts as double murder

and clovie, how can you know that the foetus won't become the next adolf hitler? that is a very poor arguement

no, these in plants will become plans 😑 and i don't like the idea of killing plants either.

here abortion is illegal, but they want to make it legal.

so.. killing pregant woman is double murder, and killing only a baby is not a murder at all? 🤨

i can't know who it will become, that why we shouldn't decide 😕

but they are also a bunch of cells ... but you need them to live no?

yeah, so if that passes, lawfully speaking, it won't be murder than anymore

no, killing a pregnant woman is double, killing a baby is still murder... killing a foetus isn't since it's abortion and is legal here

we? the mother has absolutely no right to have a voice in this?

We go on about the acceptance and humanity of abortion but the real case study (in my honest opinion) is whether or not we are killing a human life (regardless of the stage of evolution it is in) or merely some combined cells/et all. nearly every dispute that is raging on in this thread will relate back to that question.

and what is your opinion on this matter?

Originally posted by yerssot
and what is your opinion on this matter?

To be honest Yerssot, i don't really know, its not a subject on to which i know much about (from a scientific perspective) its more emotionally based, i personally if put in that situation could not abort the life of my child, however if there was a medical clause thrown in then i really don't know, but as i said before each 'case study' comes with its own unique reasons, its not as simple as labelling it 'black or white'.

and if you're talking in general terms of rape or the mother being in such a danger she can die or the kid being so deformed?

Originally posted by yerssot
but they are also a bunch of cells ... but you need them to live no?

yeah, so if that passes, lawfully speaking, it won't be murder than anymore

no, killing a pregnant woman is double, killing a baby is still murder... killing a foetus isn't since it's abortion and is legal here

we? the mother has absolutely no right to have a voice in this?

lawfully speaking. but i hope it won't pass.

but foetus is almost a baby cry

i meant ppl.