Abortion

Originally posted by Up In Flames
I'm being self-righteous? If you read more carefully, my statements are based on the bible. I also didnt say you're going to hell to burn. Thats God's decision to make. You want to live a life without God, fine by me, but dont go around making false accusations that there is no right and wrong.

There is no right and wrong. Well, most likely there isn't at least. Certainly what is said in the bible is not right. It is even wrong in many cases.

I love those posts where I claim one thing and then work with another.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
You think people only obey laws because they are there?

Are you arguing that people are inherently 'bad'?

I'd call that a major design flaw.

So maybe The Bible was the first update. Like People 1.1.

People are inherently bad, no doubt about it. You make a free decision when you decide to do something bad. Thats not a design flaw, but rather a perfection. We are created to think for ourselves. Whether we want to believe in God or not is our choice, but we all have been given a piece of Godly belief which we must either accept or reject.

Originally posted by Up In Flames
People are inherently bad, no doubt about it. You make a free decision when you decide to do something bad. Thats not a design flaw, but rather a perfection. We are created to think for ourselves. Whether we want to believe in God or not is our choice, but we all have been given a piece of Godly belief which we must either accept or reject.

There is a lot of doubt about it. Why should they be bad? They just exist.

Originally posted by Bardock42
WOAH. Ain't nothing said in the bible of no Aura and stuff.

Anyways, I am not more immoral than you. Get over it.

'siseneG' by Arthur C. Clarke

And God said: 'Lines Aleph Zero to Aleph One - Delete.'
And the Universe ceased to exist
Then She pondered for several aeons, and sighed.
'Cancel Programme GENESIS,' She ordered.
It never had existed.

There is no such thing as one being more immoral than another. Either you're moral or immoral. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, a bad tree cannot produce good fruit. You do not look like a good tree to me, so I conclude that you have nothing morally adequate to speak to me of.

Originally posted by Up In Flames
There is no such thing as one being more immoral than another. Either you're moral or immoral. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, a bad tree cannot produce good fruit. You do not look like a good tree to me, so I conclude that you have nothing morally adequate to speak to me of.

Originally posted by Up In Flames
People are inherently bad, no doubt about it. You make a free decision when you decide to do something bad.

Surely it'd be an act with no will involved?

Why were we created to be inherently bad?

While you're explaining that, please provide the proof for your claim that apparently is undoubted, as I'm sure that something so veracious will be simple to demonstrate.

Originally posted by Up In Flames
People are inherently bad, no doubt about it. You make a free decision when you decide to do something bad. Thats not a design flaw, but rather a perfection. We are created to think for ourselves. Whether we want to believe in God or not is our choice, but we all have been given a piece of Godly belief which we must either accept or reject.

If people are "inherently" bad, then Free Will does not exist. People can only be "inheretingly" anything if God made them that way.

Another Christian contradicts himself 🙄

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
If people are "inherently" bad, then Free Will does not exist. People can only be "inheretingly" anything if God made them that way.

Another Christian contradicts himself 🙄

But through God's grace He gives to His people, they do good. And true good gives God the glory.

Originally posted by Up In Flames
I'm being self-righteous? If you read more carefully, my statements are based on the bible. I also didnt say you're going to hell to burn. Thats God's decision to make. You want to live a life without God, fine by me, but dont go around making false accusations that there is no right and wrong.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
And be [b]tortured for all eternity. Those INFIDELS ! BURN INFIDELS ! BURNNNN !!! 😈 [/B]

Originally posted by Up In Flames
For once, we have reached an understanding.

You are passing judgment on others when in your own words and belief that is only the right of God, how hypocritical is that. You are to love you fellow man but you wish that they would suffer pain for all eternity.

Originally posted by Gannon
I believe that all people are totally derpraved, meaning they can do no good. Even things that seem to be good, they do for selfish reasons.

Then you are deluded. There are plenty of kind hearted compassionate people who do not beleive in God.

Originally posted by Gannon
But through God's grace He gives to His people, they do good. And true good gives God the glory.

Then why are so many Christians liars, hypocrits, and bigots ?

Originally posted by Up In Flames
People are inherently bad, no doubt about it. You make a free decision when you decide to do something bad. Thats not a design flaw, but rather a perfection. We are created to think for ourselves. Whether we want to believe in God or not is our choice, but we all have been given a piece of Godly belief which we must either accept or reject.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Then why are so many Christians liars, hypocrits, and bigots ?

"The Bible did not arrive by fax from heaven. ... The Bible is a product of man, my dear. Not of God. The Bible did not fall magically from the clouds. Man created it as a historical record of tumultuous times, and it has evolved through countless translations, additions, and revisions. History has never had a definitive version of the book. . . . More than eighty Gospels were considered for the New Testament, and yet only a relative few were chosen for inclusion—Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John among them."

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Then you are deluded. There are plenty of kind hearted compassionate people who do not beleive in God.

They might being doing those things for the wrong reasons.
For example: To make themselves look better or to make themselves feel good.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Then why are so many Christians liars, hypocrits, and bigots ?

Christians are not perfect. For we still are tainted by sin.

However in Heaven there will be no sin because God will make us perfect.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Then you are deluded. There are plenty of kind hearted compassionate people who do not beleive in God.

Then why are so many Christians liars, hypocrits, and bigots ?

Originally posted by Gannon
They might being doing those things for the wrong reasons.
For example: To make themselves look better or to make themselves feel good.

What about doing good things for the sake of doing good? What about helping people because you don't want them to suffer ? What about for the simple respect and love of life and those who are humans just like us ?

Since when is Religion the only motivation to do good ?

Are you accusing Me of doing good things only to boost my ego or to look good in public ? You're an idiot.

Originally posted by Gannon
Christians are not perfect. For we still are tainted by sin.

Then you cannot enter Heaven. The Bible says Sin cannot enter Heaven, and those tainted by Sin will go to Hell.

Originally posted by Gannon
However in Heaven there will be no sin because God will make us perfect.

Why didn't he make us perfect BEFORE that ?

Originally posted by §noopy
All Humans are hypocrites.

But not all humans are bigots.

Funny how nobody can debate abortion without involving God or another deity.

Well, they can...it just doesn't last long.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Funny how nobody can debate abortion without involving God or another deity.

Well, they can...it just doesn't last long.

-AC

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
oh, no?
abortion is cruel in my opinion. you are snuffing out the life of a potential living being.
there, no "god or another deity" references.

And it's a shit argument.

q.e.d.