Abortion

Okay, we're learning about human development in my psychology class, and here's some info that I learned that I thought I'd share.

1) The developing child isn't even considered a fetus until the 8th week of pregnancy. Before that it is still an embryo.
2) The brain doesn't develop until about the 9th week of pregnancy.
3) A fetus doesn't gain viability until between the 22nd and 26th week of pregnancy. Meaning, not until it reaches this stage could the fetus have any chance of surviving outside of the womb.

Originally posted by TheProgramSmith
Being a person who was going to be aborted (please do not ask and do not place your sympathy on me. I am just happy to be here) I am against it.

However, I am biased, so... yeah. Um... *goofy grin*

I wasn't supposed to be here, I was one of those 'accidents' as my mother so lovingly referred to me often enough. But I still think that abortion should be/remain legal.

AC, you literally spoke my mind. Albeit in rather more mature wording and detailed sentences, it is, in essence, exactly how I feel. Thanks for being so wonderfully intuitive and in touch with reality 😉

hey sy

'sup minime 😉

Thank you Syren. Much appreciated.

😉 Not bad for an 18 year old dude huh?

-AC

Originally posted by yerssot
well, then... if you can't save every one of them, imagine how many you already missed... you can't save every future kid in the entire world

I mean voice as in ... her opinion about it all
and maybe a kid of such a 'relationship' would be the next adolf hitler
you already used that phrase and it is a very weak excuse... the kid can turn out to be kind or pure evil, that means nothing

i understand.
exactly, so why should anyone decide to kill him/her before the person has choice to actually be alive?

You are ignornat. Although if I had the option of either taking you or dumping you in a trash can...well....ya know...

"And in relation to what F.E said:

"Here's my view. If abortion is made legal, each and every person who voted for it to be made illegal, especially those who voted just coz they share Myth's view, should register their name on a big big list. Whenever an unwanted child is born, save being thrown in a dumpster, a person be selected from the list of anti-abortionists and the baby can be dropped of at their home.

What? You forced her to have it. You don't want it dumped. You raise it."

Let that be the option for those who are forcing ladies to have the babies. See how much they value life then. I love the way people think they can make drastic decisions and judgement calls like "It's wrong for you to have an abortion." If she has the baby, your life isn't affected in the least. She is the one who has the kid. So if she can't have an abortion due to you believing that the baby should be brought to this Earth, save it being unwanted, you take care of it.

-AC"

a typical american/canadian answer would be: cause they can 😐

and cause the mother has the most reason to deceide since she carries it

"so why should anyone decide to kill him/her before the person has choice to actually be alive?"

Because they wont ever get the chance to have a life, regardless of being born, if they are unwanted and unloved. It's crueler to let the kid be born out of a mistake and to be such, than to terminate cells and prevent the greater bad.

As for you Hunchy, if that was an attempted stab at me, like I said. If you feel you can sit in your armchair telling ladies they have to have kids, unwanted or not, then you can take that kid up for adoption. You made her have it, you raise it. Simple.

If you're agreeing then right on. Either way, that's the way it is gonna be fair. If people force the ladies to have the unwanted kids, they should be affected also. You have no right to sit in your chair making calls about peoples lives while you aren't even gonna have to deal with it.

-AC

FE> You know what? I’m on the verge of giving up on you – totally! You obviously NEED to have EVERTHING cut out in STONE to grasp the idea.
You did NOT answer Yerssot’s question. You gargled around about a friends friends friend instead.
Let’s see… on page 40 you chant your “life is life, abortion is abortion is murder is murder.” I asked you if you’d keep a severely handicapped child that would be in pain, and you gargle about your ummm aunt.
So “no” FE, you didn’t answer Yerssots question as to whether or not you’d keep the child if you were raped an became pregnant during the assault.
“NO i wouldn't defend the right for someone to commit murder.” I didn’t ask that. I asked if you, to your death, would defend my right to hold my views.
But GOOD to know you won’t. I expected as much…

” So another words since I have a different opinion than his and most in here, I shld BE RAPED in hopes of changing my mind.”
Goodness, you are STUPID!!! Yers even elaborated on his post in great detail to make SURE you understood it. Instead you’re stooping to the ”awwww, don’t be tough on me, cause Yers is tough on me.”

God has murdered live babies – he killed all the first-borns in Egypt. Is that okay?

AC> :clap: Excellent point! 🙂 Although I don’t really want kids to be raised by FE and her like, who believe themselves holier than thou, and who won’t defend EVERYONE’s freedom of speech (see: those opinions who differ from theirs).

Silver Stardust> ” A fetus doesn't gain viability until between the 22nd and 26th week of pregnancy.” Ah, well… But most of us pro-choice people around here kinda knew that. No one who’s argued FOR abortion has said it’s cool to have it done so late in the pregnancy. When the bunch of cells is embryonic it’s no problem.

I think I'm done with this issue. It's just going in circles...most with pro-choice people saying that we think people who have abortions are just totally evil and etc, etc, etc...and I have said what I have said...the instances when I can understand that people would want to have them and when I think its totally wrong. Unless its rape, then it is their fault thus why would I take their baby for their mistake...unexpected or not...you know the consequences and that protection doesn't always work...if your gonna screw around, know what might happen...if its rape, then you obviously couldn't help it, and I can see you wanting to have an abortion...and to those that say, you can't be either way, well I still don't think its right overall, but like I said before, I can see in some cases why they would want to have them...if too, if the wife is in danger and at risk of dying, etc...But it keeps going back to the same issues...so you guys can now debate yourselves, which I'm sure will be productive.

I said I would only post once, but I lied I guess.

No matter what... putting you child up for adoption is an alternative to ending a life before it starts. Regardless of the choice you make, you will be left with grief that you did not raise your child yourself. Why not give joy to a married couple who cannot for one reason or another have one thierselves?

Originally posted by Myth
Lastly, I will answer your violinist question, I just haven't seen it before. This is simple. It is not their responsibility. The baby inside a mother is. She had sex while knowing the risks involved. The person with the violinist had nothing to do with the violinist and therefore it is not their responsibility. The person who gets pregnant, took part in the creation of the baby.

All persons have a right to life, and violinists are persons. Granted you have a right to decide what happens in and to your body, but a person's right to life outweighs your right to decide what happens in and to your body. So you cannot be unplugged from him.

Many women are impregnated against their will, just as the violinist was plugged in to you. If terminating a forced pregnancy is murder than so is unplugging yourself from the violinist. But never mind, it's only for nine months. By then he will have recovered from his ailment, and can safely be unplugged from you.

"All persons have a right to life"

Exactly. Persons....

-AC

Originally posted by yerssot
djee FE... having fun dwelling in the past? I agree that it was poor wording but the point I wanted to make still stands:
I am very sure that when/if (the one that means in the possible futur; not the fixed one...think that's the if one?) you get raped, you WILL change your views for the simple fact that this thing is very traumatising and depressing and that after a while when you look down you'll see this thing... human if you will already, grow inside of you... someone you didn't want that was created in one of the dirtiest way possible. Not to mention that when you do agree on abortion that experience is very traumatising too.
THAT is my point, because you simply claim "murder is murder, abortion is murder" ... and I already am tired of saying it's NOT murder since murder is on a living thing, a bunch of cells is not alive... unless you desperatly want to recognise that plants and such are alive like us too. My point further claims that opinions which some see as fixed can change due to personal events.

you either say: "yes, I agree with your point (with possible explanation to why)" or "no, I still not agree because..."
but clinging on for 5-6 pages about my post where you change the post into me WANTING you raped because I'm some sort of evil spirit send to the earth to destroy your live is in my book coming close to having some pathetic moments because you either can't argue to my point because if it does happen to you, you'll change your ideas or you have nothing to say about it anymore and only stay to annoy people by saying the same thing over and over

I would NOT change my views if I was to get raped, I would still have the baby, as I've explained but apparently some did not comprehend, I think it's double the pain, getting rapped and having an abortion, you will have i'm sure: nightmares, sleepless nites, anxiety, fears depression and tons more things... to me to add an abortion on top of that is adding more on a person, thus double the pain.
Yrssot: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=306413&perpage=20&pagenumber=41
I NEVER said it would be easy, I think you need to read my post again!! It would be very devastating, horrible, nitemare i'm sure, do you think that having an abortion is more easy? You don't think you have regrets, nightmares, depression, ect with an abortion? You do, people can heal, either way from having an abortion, losing a loved one to rape. I just don't think murder is the answer for that healing process, I feel that it would bring on more depression, more nightmares, ect on top of the same feelings for being raped. So you have double the pain, in my opinion. NO I WOULDN'T HAVE AN ABORTION IF I WAS RAPED, I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT BE READING THAT OMEGA YOU COULD HAVE FIGURED THAT OUT, APPARENTLY NOT.
I do have a friend that had an abortion, it was NOT an easy choice for her, and it's always bothered her, but it is a choice SHE must live w/the rest of her life, she must deal with it the rest of her life, she must face the nightmares the rest of her life, the anxiety, depression, yes she will heal, but doesnt mean she doesn't think about it and that it doesn't haunt her. IF YOU GET RAPED, AND HAVE AN ABORTION, YOU WILL HAVE DOUBLE THE PAIN, IN MY OPINION, THIS IS FOR THOSE THAT APPARENTLY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND MY RESPONSE** AND I DID EXPLAIN ABOUT THE CRIPPLED KIDS, READ THE POST, I STILL WOULDN'T HAVE AN ABORTION, I THINK YOU'RE (omega) THE ONE THAT IS NOT UNDERSTANDING. EXPLAINING ABOUT MY AUNT, WAS EXPLAINING YOU CAN STILL HAVE LIFE EVEN WHEN YOU ARE CRIPPLED, THERE YOU GO OMEGA. AND I'LL USE WHATEVER i WANT TO EXPLAIN MY ANSWERS, YOU DO AND SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE IN HERE FOR THAT MATTER.

"IF YOU GET RAPED, AND HAVE AN ABORTION, YOU WILL HAVE DOUBLE THE PAIN, IN MY OPINION,"

Oh yeah of course. Coz getting rid of the chance that in a few months some scumbag waste of life's baby is gonna be growing inside you, is much more painful than having the child of a man who forced sexual intercourse on you. That'll put one interesting tale of the birds and bees that this baby certainly wont forget.

"Mother, where did I come from? Where do babies come from?"

"Well babies are born when two couples make love and the man uses sperm to make an egg grow from cells into a baby, then the baby is born."

"Wow..."

"But you were conceived because a filthy bastard forced me to have sex with me and made me pregnant. Yeah, we could have prevented you to ever come into this world as an unwanted and unloved child but there's some right-wing, living-in-the-dark ages illogical and self-centred morons out there who think that affecting my life from their armchair while taking no REAL damage themselves, is a good thing. So yeah, sorry about that. Oh and if you decide to kill yourself now, I'm gonna leave you on the porch of an pro-life anti-abortionist so they know what they've done."

That'd go down as No.1 in the best parent mother-child talks in history.

-AC

some here lack first hand experience in pain and suffering to fully understand things that are said here ❌

and AC... I think if the mom said "there is a knife to cut you in the drawer" it would be better 😉

So, cuz i don't agree w/you, I lack understanding of what is said now?? So, because I feel that it is double the pain, I lack to understand, maybe it is YOU that lack the understanding, has that ever crossed your mind? YOU are not always right, it is only YOUR opinion.
And about the dumpster thing, for your information, abortion is legal in the US, so how does me NOT believing in abortion, make people STILL toss their kid in the dumpster, when they don't want the baby, or leave the baby on the street some where?? Me believing in this is NOT why people do that, and it is legal, just like adoption is legal, THEY do have that CHOICE, it's just a choice, i highly disagree with!!! and I would love to adopt a kid.

My best friend was conceived by rape, She's a wonderful person, and always has been. she found out when we were in highshcool how her mother had her. Yeah she was hurt about it, but she is living proof, that good can come out of a rape.
Omega: I never said I wouldn't fight for freedom of Speech, i'm assuming thats what you are talking about, when you say, would I fight for your right to your opinion, That I would fight for, WE all have a right to our own opinion, what i said was I wouldn't fight for someone to have the right to have an abortion, NOT ever.

my opinion ought to be the law 👿

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, FE, but that comment was not aimed at you.
It was a general comment aimed to everyone, it may surprise you, but you and your posts are not the center of the universe to me. Please take this in account