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Victor Von Doom Latverian Diplomat

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

by voting against it i am exercising my right to do so. i would not be trying to force it upon others. if you were to vote prochoice, would you be forcing your will upon others? didnt think so.

*cough*idiot*cough*

(Idiot).

(Cough).

Alpha Centauri Restricted

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
how i am trying to push my beliefs on others.

Would you vote to make abortion illegal?

EDIT: I see you say you would, so you're factually forcing that on people. You are voting to make abortion illegal based on personal beliefs, people would have to not do something because you helped to prevent them from doing so, based on personal beliefs. That's forcing your beliefs on people, RJ. That's exactly what you're doing.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
who the hell are you to say i am wrong? so you are right? we must all bow down and accept the mighty bardocks word as law? dood....screw that. i am not one of your bitches.

He is expressing his right to say so, it's called free speech. The fact that you have a flimsy, selfish, oppressive argument is what adds to it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
by voting against it i am exercising my right to do so. i would not be trying to force it upon others. if you were to vote prochoice, would you be forcing your will upon others? didnt think so.

What? If you voted to make abortion illegal based on your own personal reasons for being against it, how are you NOT forcing that on other people? Explain yourself further, because I'm very intrigued.

Pro-choice isn't forcing anyone to do or not to anything, it's proposing the idea that they can do what they want. Voting to ban abortion IS forcing them to not do something.

It's simple, and you're wrong. You are forcing your beliefs on people. You believe a woman should "keep her legs shut." (Were those your words?), and so you voted to ban abortion. That's forcing your beliefs on people, it's simple.

You can't take that stance and avoid the stigma, it doesn't work that way.

-AC

StyleTime Senior Member

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
*cough*idiot*cough*
(Idiot).
(Cough).

Originally posted by StyleTime
I have never called someone an idiot for being pro-life. I never said it was wrong to believe in God or use God for a reason not to have an abortion. As a matter of fact, I think God is perfectly acceptable as a personal reason not to get an abortion.
The line is crossed however, when a pro-life advocate attempts to force his or her beliefs on someone else. Using God to try and stop others from getting an abortion is idiotic. That's when "idiot" starts getting thrown around.

Rogue Jedi, does my post make a little more sense to you now? I mean I hate to say it, but I told ya so.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's simple.
-AC

Well, why can't our dear jm understand that concept?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I thought they were supposed to go to limbo. Did that get retconned?

Will you marry me?

Alpha Centauri Restricted

He wants to avoid being called oppressive or idiotic despite holding oppressive and idiotic views.

The irony and hypocritical comedy of all this? RJ is a man who said "I love America for one reason; Freedom.". "What? Yeah, I love freedom. We'll discuss American freedom right after I vote to ban abortion.".

-AC

Schecter Restricted

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"What? Yeah, I love freedom. We'll discuss American freedom right after I vote to ban abortion.".

hmmm....topic

Alpha Centauri Restricted

I'm on topic...or were you saying it in the sense of "An idea for a..."?

-AC

Schecter Restricted

yes, i mean it would make a nice topic/thread

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Rogue Jedi Restricted

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah
D-dude...you just said you would vote on it being forced on others. What the hell is wrong with you?
N-no, you just have to bow down to reality. I am not trying to limit your freedom of speech (fact). You think I am trying to limit your freedom of speech (fact). You are wrong (fact). Easy as that.
No, because it would be pro-choice, because people who would want an abortion could get one and people that don't wouldn't have to. So, if you would vote on banning abortion, and it would go through, could anyone get an abortion? No? aren't you FACTU****INGALLY forcing your views on others then?

Its not about forcing it on others. Its about taking a stand for what you believe in. let me ask you this. lets say we could go back in time to when this thread was started. lets say that for some strange reason you knew my stand on the issue. now, lets say tha.

dammit...i keep getting kicked off my cpu. i will edit this post later....

Schecter Restricted

lets just say you're a ****ing hypocrite and you wish to have people forced to not have an abortion....we'll just say that...for the sake of argument....because its true.

Alpha Centauri Restricted

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Its not about forcing it on others. Its about taking a stand for what you believe in. let me ask you this. lets say we could go back in time to when this thread was started. lets say that for some strange reason you knew my stand on the issue. now, lets say tha.
dammit...i keep getting kicked off my cpu. i will edit this post later....

You cannot say: "I am not forcing my beliefs on others.", then say you would ban abortion for your own personal reasons, and claim you aren't forcing your beliefs on people. You are, what do you think you're doing then, if not forcing your beliefs on people?

You just don't want to be tagged as oppressive, well that's tough shit, you are.

-AC

xmarksthespot CEO, BS Comics

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Its not about forcing it on others. Its about taking a stand for what you believe in. let me ask you this. lets say we could go back in time to when this thread was started. lets say that for some strange reason you knew my stand on the issue. now, lets say tha.

Your personal belief is that abortion is wrong under your subjective morality.
You would vote to deny women access to the abortion procedure based on this belief.
Ergo you would force your beliefs on others.

Let's say you would try to force your personal beliefs on others if the opportunity arose, because that's what you said, while continually repeating that you're not one of "those people" who would try to force their beliefs on others. Making you a hypocrite or an idiot. Or both.

J-Beowulf Senior Member

I vote anti-abortion.

ADarksideJedi Jackie Malfoy

You mean Pro-life right>jm

Rogue Jedi Restricted

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah
D-dude...you just said you would vote on it being forced on others. What the hell is wrong with you?

so am I just supposed to change my beliefs because you think I am trying to force them upon others? Even when you know that at no time I have tried to force them upon others? no.....I have my own set of beliefs, as you have yours. as for your "voting" scenario, it'll never happen. Even if it did happen, you think that my one piddly vote will make a difference? I could say to you the same, that by voting prochoice you are forcing your view on others. what do you have to say to that?

N-no, you just have to bow down to reality. I am not trying to limit your freedom of speech (fact). You think I am trying to limit your freedom of speech (fact).

It's your reality, not mine. I know you are not trying to limit my freedom of speech.

You are wrong (fact). Easy as that.

So your way is the right way? everything you say and do is infallible? You are 100% sure that you are right and all others are wrong? here we go back to the elitist factor.

No, because it would be pro-choice, because people who would want an abortion could get one and people that don't wouldn't have to. So, if you would vote on banning abortion, and it would go through, could anyone get an abortion? No? aren't you FACTU****INGALLY forcing your views on others then?

look, I get it. you are prochoice and I am prolife. Stop with the "you are forcing your views on others" nonsense. It doesn't float with me and it makes you look desperate. If this "vote" happened, yes, I would vote prolife. now if you voted prochoice, and your side won, you think I would tell you that you are forcing your views on others?

chillmeistergen Restricted

There seems to be a correlation, between idiots and pro life supporters.

Rogue Jedi Restricted

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You cannot say: "I am not forcing my beliefs on others.", then say you would ban abortion for your own personal reasons, and claim you aren't forcing your beliefs on people. You are, what do you think you're doing then, if not forcing your beliefs on people?
You just don't want to be tagged as oppressive, well that's tough shit, you are.
-AC

actually, I can say this all I want, because I am not out there burning down abortion clinics.
you guys think that by being prolife I am trying to force my views on others. Fine, I get that. What if I said to you that by being prochoice you are trying to force your beliefs on others? it works both ways. Put the shoe on the other foot before you put it in your mouth and spout off with a bunch of psychobabble about me forcing my views.