Originally posted by Myth
You do realize that laws are based on morals, right? We don't murder people because it is morally wrong. Somebody may not see it morally wrong, so should we not push our moral code upon them? No. Laws are needed to protect.
No, the reason we do not murder people is because murder is unjust and unwarranted. It is a matter of ethics, it has nothing to do with morals.
FE> I understand your opinion, and if thats what you believe, then thats what you believe. But Just because you feel it is unjust doesnt mean that everybody else should have the choice taken away from them. Even if you make it illegal women will still have abortions, but they will be risking their own lives as a consequence. Why terminate her life as well as the ball of cells?
There is a major difference between murder and abortion: firstly, theres the whole ball of cells side of it and secondly, a much larger percentage of the population finds abortion acceptable but not murder.
"it is life rather you want to believe that or not is strictly up to you. "
Man....come on. It's not that hard to grasp FE, really.
I know it's ALIVE yes. But....are you ready? Stay with me......IT'S NOT, FACTUALLY, A BABY.
One more time:
I know it's ALIVE yes. BUT....come on, you can do it, IT'S NOT A BABY.
There.
-AC
Originally posted by ssj4goku
abortion is wrong end of discussion any who dissagrees with me is just a baby killer
Until that day when women, and only women, shall determane which males must, by law have vasectomies, then - and only then - will you or any other man have the right to say if women should have abortions.
FE> Just because you skipped it - again:
"the way I answer alot of things is by stories, explaining why i feel or think a certain way, and i'm guessing you don't catch that, sorry."
I don't WANT your stories, hun. I just want simple clear-to-the point answers, such as "yes" or "no".
You merely dodge answers by chanting and telling stories. You refuse to answer this question:
"Are you saying that it is NOT okay for God to murder babies?"
"I've never ever said, I understood ALL of Gods ways, never, no way to understand everything. I do know, that Gods, is giving that exact same warning NOW, will people heed to his warn-ings?? and the book of revelations tells how it will end. Gods wrath will come upon the earth, we all have the choice now to choose him."
Preaching again, are we? Hm? First you claim not to know ALL of Gods ways, but you DO KNOW that God is gving warnings now? Maybe that is something you don't know either?
Can't you see how absolutely funny this is?
A: THE BIBLE SAYS...
B: But what about this, this can't be right!
A: DON'T TAKE EVERYTHING IN THE BIBLE LITERALLY.
B: WHy not. It says here...
A: I DON'T CLAIM TO KNOW GODS WAYS, BUT I DO KNOW THIS WAY OF GODS!
"Just cuz YOU don't thk it's life, doesn't mean it's so."
Oh, I know you're blind to answers and facts you don't like. Unlike you my knowledge isn't ba-sed on BELIEF, dear. An embryo is not life, and it has nothing to do with what I think and do not think. You just have to accept science, dear.
"I simply don't believe that, life begins in stages, w/o that stage, there would never be life, so that STAGE of life is necessary, therefore, makes it life."
How far back do you want to go? Before sperm and egg there are chemicals and water and en-ergy. If you go back even further it's sunlight.
So what - should we worship the sun as you worship embryos?
Originally posted by Myth
And what makes something unjust? Morals.
mor·al adj. The judgment of the goodness or badness of human action or character based on firm conviction rather than on the actual evidence.
un·just adj. Violating principles of justice or fairness; unfair.
As you can see, whether or not something is just or unjust has nothing to do with morals.
Originally posted by The Omega
FE> Just because you skipped it - again:
"the way I answer alot of things is by stories, explaining why i feel or think a certain way, and i'm guessing you don't catch that, sorry."
I don't WANT your stories, hun. I just want simple clear-to-the point answers, such as "yes" or "no".
You merely dodge answers by chanting and telling stories. You refuse to answer this question:
"Are you saying that it is NOT okay for God to murder babies?""I've never ever said, I understood ALL of Gods ways, never, no way to understand everything. I do know, that Gods, is giving that exact same warning NOW, will people heed to his warn-ings?? and the book of revelations tells how it will end. Gods wrath will come upon the earth, we all have the choice now to choose him."
Preaching again, are we? Hm? First you claim not to know ALL of Gods ways, but you DO KNOW that God is gving warnings now? Maybe that is something you don't know either?
Can't you see how absolutely funny this is?
A: THE BIBLE SAYS...
B: But what about this, this can't be right!
A: DON'T TAKE EVERYTHING IN THE BIBLE LITERALLY.
B: WHy not. It says here...
A: I DON'T CLAIM TO KNOW GODS WAYS, BUT I DO KNOW THIS WAY OF GODS!"Just cuz YOU don't thk it's life, doesn't mean it's so."
Oh, I know you're blind to answers and facts you don't like. Unlike you my knowledge isn't ba-sed on BELIEF, dear. An embryo is not life, and it has nothing to do with what I think and do not think. You just have to accept science, dear."I simply don't believe that, life begins in stages, w/o that stage, there would never be life, so that STAGE of life is necessary, therefore, makes it life."
How far back do you want to go? Before sperm and egg there are chemicals and water and en-ergy. If you go back even further it's sunlight.
So what - should we worship the sun as you worship embryos?
Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
You can keep posting Omege, it's not going to change my answers any.
Just so we are clear, you are going to continue to evade the question?
Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
I've been looking in alot of sites on abortion, and to my surprise I have not seen 1 site that said, ball of cells, why is that?
I suspect it has something to do with the kind of sites you have been looking at. Since I am not psychic, perhaps you should provide that information so that I or someone else can answer your question.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
[b]mor·al adj. The judgment of the goodness or badness of human action or character based on firm conviction rather than on the actual evidence.un·just adj. Violating principles of justice or fairness; unfair.
As you can see, whether or not something is just or unjust has nothing to do with morals. [/B]
Just because the actual word "morals" does not appear in the definition does not mean that it doesn't play a HUGE part in why the laws are made and what is 'considered' just.