Originally posted by Myth
Just because the actual word "morals" does not appear in the definition does not mean that it doesn't play a HUGE part in why the laws are made and what is 'considered' just.
Morals are individual judgements about goodness and badness based on personal convictions.
Justice is a principle of fairness.
Morality is subjective to the individual.
Fairness is universal.
Originally posted by Myth
Why does not being able to have babies have anything to do with thinking that killing is wrong?
Killing is not wrong, murder is wrong. One would think that after 56 pages you could make that distinction.
The reason men should have no say in the reproductive rights of women is because they are non-stakeholders. Those who do not have something to lose or gain should not be making decisions for those who do.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Technically a man does have some vested interest (or at least should) in a child, born or unborn. After all, their genetic material is involved as well.
Perhaps he would like to carry the pregnancy to tern then? Until this is a viable possibility, he will never have more of a vested interest than the woman.
True, true. But I have heard the argument before somewhere in one of my classes, as the way it was described was alomst humorous "People are coming to treat pregnancy like a bank, one deposits their money, but people would be upset if the bank did as they wished with it, even a vested interest is important with so much at stake." It takes two to tango as they say, and a father should have some say regarding a child..... And who knows, perhaps men will one day be able to, I think it would do this society good to have such equality. And it would stop anymore comedies with Arnold being made about the subject.
Originally posted by ssj4goku
abortion is wrong end of discussion any who dissagrees with me is just a baby killer
same with RoguePw25 and who the heck says my mother wanted one? there was NO reason for her. Abortion is not a sort of birthcontrol! if you took time to actually read the discussion you would realise that we are talking about SERIOUS thinks like rape and the inability to raise another kid due to poverty. Not "I screwed last night and got pregnant, lets get rid of the kid now" 🙄
Originally posted by RoguePw25I should have a template specially designed for this forum saying "it is not a baby" and stating all the evidence because at the moment i feel like a broken record player.
I think that abortion is wrong. Killing an innocent baby is just murder to me. Think about it, if your mom had an abortion, you wouln't be sitting here right now reading this message.Plus, doctors say that a baby has a heart beat after 38 days. I wouldn't want to kill anyone who has a heartbeat.
if my mother had an abortion and had consequently lived a happy life, i would gladly sacrifice my life. No ones asking you to abort something that has a heartbeat - we're just asking you to allow other people to have the choice.
I think we've basically deduced that people who have extremely and to go with that, ridiculously high sanctity of life, will never see the facts about abortion and acknowledge that it isn't killing.
"I'm sick and tired of all this back-slapping, 'aren't humanity neat' bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, that's all we are. People walk around like 'wow let's pat ourselves on the back. Humans are so neat!' Too many of ya!"-Bill Hicks.
-AC
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Just so we are clear, you are going to continue to evade the question?I suspect it has something to do with the kind of sites you have been looking at. Since I am not psychic, perhaps you should provide that information so that I or someone else can answer your question.
For one thing I've never avoided the question, I did answer the question, you just don't like my answer. There is NO one on this earth that can say they KNOW ALL of Gods ways, that would be very arrogant of anyone to say that, there's no way possible to know that or to understand everything. Just like reading any book, when in the book it gives metaphors, examples, the bible is no different, JUST like in the book when YOU KNOW those are metaphors...the same is in the bible you can tell the difference of what is real and what is an example. I do know that God hates SIN, he made us to have fellowship with him. God didn't just GO and kill those babies, he warned them first to let HIS people go, they had had HIS people in bondage for over 400 years. All through the bible God warns before wrath comes, I am NO one to say that God is wrong in that situation, like I have said, I don't KNOW or CLAIM that I KNOW everything there is to know about God NOR do I understand everything, and I don't know anyone that does. I do know that he is a merciful God, full of goodness and forgiveness. I also know that preachers everywhere are preaching of the end time and warning people whats going to happen, rather or not they heed to that or believe that is strictly up to that person, but it doesn't change the fact that it will happen.
I have posted web sites to view on here and when I search here are a few of the ways I've put it in to search: abortion, stages of birth, pregnancy stages, i have not been pulling or viewing Christian sites and I have never ever seen ONE site that said, BALL OF CELLS, have you? if you have where? I'd like to read it.