Abortion

FE> Hun, you haven’t ANSWERED this yet: So here it is… AGAIN:
Now in a short an easy version.

Are you saying that it is NOT okay for God to murder babies?

"Just cuz YOU don't thk it's life, doesn't mean it's so."
Oh, I know you're blind to answers and facts you don't like. Unlike you my knowledge isn't ba-sed on BELIEF, dear. An embryo is not life, and it has nothing to do with what I think and do not think. You just have to accept science, dear.

"I simply don't believe that, life begins in stages, w/o that stage, there would never be life, so that STAGE of life is necessary, therefore, makes it life."

How far back do you want to go?
Before sperm and egg there are chemicals and water and en-ergy. If you go back even further it's sunlight.
So what - should we worship the sun as you worship embryos?

“I've been looking in alot of sites on abortion, and to my surprise I have not seen 1 site that said, ball of cells, why is that?”
Because you look at sites that already agree with your views?

According to the Encyclopedia Britannica (s.v. "Abortion"😉, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists has defined abortion as "the expulsion or extraction of all (complete) or any part (incomplete) of the placenta or membranes, with or without an abortus, before the 20th week (before 134 days) of gestation." This definition is based on the scientifically-established fact that a developing human organism cannot survive outside the womb before this date and therefore premature birth is not even an elective option.

Read more her: http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/debates/secularist/abortion/carrier1.html

Let me ask you this: Are you against the Pill?

Originally posted by Predator 89
Also as for it not being a child your a 100% right but what i am defending is not the murder of a child but taking something a chance to live you cant make that decision for it that why there are preventive measures people can take not to get pregnant. (2) Adam what the hell are you? A robot with no heart? Its more than just a parasite cant you see that?

What preventitive measures can a woman take to avoid getting raped or dying in child birth?

No potential life is guaranteed anything. This is particularly true when its existence is dependent upon the will of its host to allow it to live.

I am not a robot, I am a rational human being. I apologize if I do not get bent out of shape because I can recognize the difference between a cocktail of egg and semen and a born person.

I kinda agree with you Adam

all i have to say about this subject is if you have sex and get pregnant and you werent ready for the baby, then thats your fault and your mistake..you have to deal with it.. not have an abortion....now if you were raped or the fetus was causing health problems then i understand an abortion but other than that dont put yourself in that position if you not ready for a child!!!

Under Clinton, abortions deceased 25% (look it up). This was mainly due to the fantastic economy that the democrats created. Under George W. Bush, however, abortions have increased. If John Kerry had been elected, it is a certitude that abortions would have decreased as well. George Bush may be against abortion, but he will not be able to overturn Roe V. Wade.

So, if you honestly believe that abortion is murder, than those of you who voted for or supported Bush have blood on your hands.

Personally, I don't believe that abortion is murder, so as far as I'm concerned your on solid ground. However, according to your own beliefs, you should be extremely ashamed of yourself.

"you cant make that decision"

Well who can then? The cells can't, literally. So if the lady can't then what is she meant to do? Just say "Well.......I'm about to have a baby growing inside of me that I don't want. Yet despite it being inside my body, I have no right to choose what happens to it."? I don't think so. Like I said, you wanna force her to have it, you raise it.

"all i have to say about this subject is if you have sex and get pregnant and you werent ready for the baby, then thats your fault and your mistake..you have to deal with it.. not have an abortion....now if you were raped or the fetus was causing health problems then i understand an abortion but other than that dont put yourself in that position if you not ready for a child!!!"

Basically don't have sex until you're in your 20s earning a living and married? Coz that's what you mean by "don't put yourself in that position if you're not ready for a child" right?

Would you walk up to a woman and say "Whoa whoa whoa. Going to the abortion clinic? Well sign this paper. If you got raped, go ahead. If you just don't want it for reasons I don't agree with, you can't come in"? Hahaha if so then prepare to have alot of red hand prints on your face.

Regardless of why people have abortions, no one has the right to stop people from having them. It's like driving motorbikes, there's many many idiots who use them irresponsibly but what are ya gonna do? Ban motorcycles? No. You can't make abortions illegal just because there are people who will use them irresponsibly, it's simply not fair on those who need or want them for other reasons. If a woman wants an abortion, she should be able to have one, because the only way you're ever gonna be able to tell her that she has no right to have one, is if she tells you her reasons. Which she could lie about.

If you came up to my girl and said "You have to have that baby, tough shit." She'd smack your face and laugh at you. You know why? Because she would have something in her body that she can get rid of before it's too late, before it IS a life, before it IS a baby.

So the bottom line is, regardless of reasons: Who are you to tell any young lady that she cannot have an abortion or that she is wrong?

You are nobody to tell her that because it is absolutely and totally none of your business whatsoever and it doesn't effect YOUR life in the slightest. The woman you force to have an abortion has never ever interfered with your life or the way you live so why the Hell do you have to take it upon yourselves to become a part of theirs? Live your own lives, stay out of everyone elses.

-AC

stfu...i aint in no one elses business , im just saying my opinion like everyone else!!!!! and im not saying not to have sex ..im saying if you cant f**kin use protection in the first place then DEAL WITH IT!!!!!! and if protection didnt work then guess what........ still DEAL WITH IT!!!!!!!!!

TombRaiderGurl calm yourself down and watch the language!

i am calm 😄

"im saying if you cant f**kin use protection in the first place then DEAL WITH IT!!!!!! and if protection didnt work then guess what........ still DEAL WITH IT!!!!!!!!!"

So........you tell them to be smart and use protection. Fine. You then say that if they do so and the actual protection fails, then it's still their problem.

Ahem, word of advice. Don't have kids. No seriously, please don't.

Because overlooking the fact that you are a complete and utter moron, that post was one of the most ridiculous posts ever.

-AC

how does me having kids or not having kids have to do with anything? your post is the one that is ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Because you'll be a ridiculous parent. Now shut up.

Anyone wanna continue this along the semi-intelligent path it was going?

-AC

Don't sweat it AC, she's a little girl and probably doesn't know any better.

Hopefully, in a few years she'll take her head out of her parents' behinds and think for herself.

damn...what ever i wasnt trying to start anything ...was just saying my opinion ...thats what forums are for.....oh and im not a little girl 😄

Sure. I believe you. 🙂

are you being sarcastic?.....but what ever i dont care if you believe me or not 🙂

Originally posted by Darth Surgent
Under Clinton, abortions deceased 25% (look it up). This was mainly due to the fantastic economy that the democrats created. Under George W. Bush, however, abortions have increased. If John Kerry had been elected, it is a certitude that abortions would have decreased as well. George Bush may be against abortion, but he will [b]not be able to overturn Roe V. Wade.

So, if you honestly believe that abortion is murder, than those of you who voted for or supported Bush have blood on your hands.

Personally, I don't believe that abortion is murder, so as far as I'm concerned your on solid ground. However, according to your own beliefs, you should be extremely ashamed of yourself. [/B]

nice one Surge

It's utterly amazing LOL how when someone doesn't agree w/you on a topic it turns into a bashing Party LOL
Omega, I have answered you, take my answer or leave it, cuz it's NOT changing.
It's obvious YOU don't read, or you would have seen that I said, exactly what I was putting in to search the web to view both sites, So how would that be that i was only looking at sites that I agree with??? I could however prolly in turn say that about YOU?? Do you try to see both sides of the coin?
life begins in stages, w/o that stage, there would never be life, so that STAGE of life is necessary, CAN YOU SKIP THAT STAGE in order for life to be created??

Touche on the web site lol you found one that used that terminology.

Pregnancy
Begins: Fertilization
The sperm fertilizes the egg (ovum) at the time of ovulation (release of the egg from the ovary), which typically occurs around d day 14 of the menstrual cycle. Only one sperm can enter the egg: THE MALE OR FEMALES SEX OF THE BABY IS DETERMINED AT THE MOMENT. Once fertilization occurs, the egg/sperm cell, called a zygote, begins to divide into multiple cells that start the development of differing tissues and organs. At this time, the developing baby is called an embryo. The embryo attaches to the wall of the uterus (womb) about 6 days after fertilization.

End of Week Two
The mother's blood supply (identified by the dark red blood vessels) can be seen beginning to surround the embryo; eventually it will connect with vessels the embryo forms to develop the placenta. The embryo (purple oval structure) is contained within the amniotic cavity and is connected to the yolk sac (brown oval structure) by a narrow yolk stalk. The yolk sac helps deliver nutrients to the embryo and fosters blood vessel development.
From the beginning of Week 9 onward, the baby is called a fetus instead of an embryo. During Week 9, the sex organs (genitals) develop male or female characteristics, but the sex of the child cannot be determined by ultrasound until several weeks later. All of the organs have begun to form by Week 9; they continue to grow and develop throughout the pregnancy. The fetus now grows rapidly and is almost two and a half inches long by the end of Week 10.

Fiery Eyes>

It is apparent that you refuse to answer the question because it is difficult to take the position that abortion is wrong when according to The Bible, God Himself has committed infanticide on quite a large scale.

You presume that because Omega and others, myself included, disagree with your view on abortion that we are grossly uninformed of your position. I assure you this is not the case.

No one is arguing whether certain developmental stages are necessary for a child to be born. The issue is whether or not a woman has the fundamental right to interrupt this process and you have failed to show that she does not.

it's a matter of personal believes and faith (IMO) the government should allow every woman to judge for herself. Wether someone else agrees with an abortion really should not matter.

It's most likely non of their business